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    Phoronix: GNOME 3.8 Is Moving Along On Its New Features

    Matthias Clasen has issued an update today concerning the progress of new features for the upcoming release of GNOME 3.8...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTI4MDg

  • #2
    These are not the planned features for 3.8 but general code quality goals. Not particularly interesting for end users.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by moonlite View Post
      These are not the planned features for 3.8 but general code quality goals. Not particularly interesting for end users.
      It's kinda weird that the words "new features" and "end users" still come up in threads about new gnome releases.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dstaubsauger View Post
        It's kinda weird that the words "new features" and "end users" still come up in threads about new gnome releases.
        Yet the Gnome haters are always there

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        • #5
          Originally posted by moonlite View Post
          These are not the planned features for 3.8 but general code quality goals. Not particularly interesting for end users.
          True of some of them, but not all. Having sensible default names for print to file is a usability-related change, as are the desktop-file keywords and high-contrast icons. And the goal about notification sources is a bit of both - partly an infrastructure cleanup, but also about giving users control over which notifications they want to receive.

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          • #6
            Migrate from GSettings and dconf is great.
            Migrate from Python 2 to Python 3 is great.
            Migrate from GStreamer pre-1.0 to 1.0 is great.

            But I don't like the GMenu.
            The GMenu is for GNOME Shell, and I think it sucks, I don't like it. I use GNOME Fallback session.
            To all users who don't use GNOME Shell the GMenu sucks, because it makes all GNOME applications suck when not using GNOME Shell.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by uid313 View Post
              But I don't like the GMenu.
              The GMenu is for GNOME Shell, and I think it sucks, I don't like it. I use GNOME Fallback session.
              To all users who don't use GNOME Shell the GMenu sucks, because it makes all GNOME applications suck when not using GNOME Shell.
              Fair enough... I don't much like it *with* Shell either. I kind of get what they're trying for, but having that "application menu" relocated to the shell panel just doesn't work for me. For starters, it's not particularly obvious that the feature in question is a menu at all, never mind that that's where you might find such things as preferences (or for that matter, the ability to exit the program). And - very unusually for Gnome 3 - it doesn't appear to be keyboard accessible.

              So yeah - unlike you, I'm generally pretty happy with Shell. But this specific feature, not so much.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
                Fair enough... I don't much like it *with* Shell either. I kind of get what they're trying for, but having that "application menu" relocated to the shell panel just doesn't work for me. For starters, it's not particularly obvious that the feature in question is a menu at all, never mind that that's where you might find such things as preferences (or for that matter, the ability to exit the program). And - very unusually for Gnome 3 - it doesn't appear to be keyboard accessible.

                So yeah - unlike you, I'm generally pretty happy with Shell. But this specific feature, not so much.
                I agree with you here, I just realized I had to use the GMenu for some things like, last week, after using Gnome Shell for months now. I thought preferences for Nautilus and such disappeared :P.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by moonlite View Post
                  These are not the planned features for 3.8 but general code quality goals. Not particularly interesting for end users.
                  WHO thinks that quality improvements are "not particularly interesting for end users"???

                  NOBODY who works on any of my projects, that's for SURE.

                  Given the crap quality of the gnome user experience, ANY improvement is welcome by THIS end user. I can't even use gnome anymore. It slows down my computer and me. I don't have the time or the inclination to fight with it. I just install xubuntu and I can get my work done.
                  Last edited by frantaylor; 01-22-2013, 07:47 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                    Migrate from GSettings and dconf is great.
                    Migrate from Python 2 to Python 3 is great.
                    Migrate from GStreamer pre-1.0 to 1.0 is great.

                    But I don't like the GMenu.
                    The GMenu is for GNOME Shell, and I think it sucks, I don't like it. I use GNOME Fallback session.
                    To all users who don't use GNOME Shell the GMenu sucks, because it makes all GNOME applications suck when not using GNOME Shell.
                    I skimmed over the gmenu docs and I don't have a problem with it, per se, but I don't like that it is going to be tossed into the top bar.
                    I HATE ACCESSING APP MENUS AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN!!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by liam View Post
                      I skimmed over the gmenu docs and I don't have a problem with it, per se, but I don't like that it is going to be tossed into the top bar.
                      I HATE ACCESSING APP MENUS AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN!!!!
                      Firefox on Windows has a much nicer solution.
                      The window have a Firefox menu in the top-left corner and the menubar are hidden, but if you press the alt-key then the menubar appears.

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                      • #12
                        Gnome devs are sometimes more interested in being zealots about philosophical concepts like "separating menus related to the application from menus related to the current window or document" that they don't eve see the effects their decissions have for discoverability, usability and productivity from an user point of view.

                        Here we have concepts that improve traditional menus and that do make real sense, like MegaMenus.

                        https://live.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/Menus
                        Last edited by newwen; 01-23-2013, 08:10 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
                          Given the crap quality of the gnome user experience, ANY improvement is welcome by THIS end user. I can't even use gnome anymore. It slows down my computer and me. I don't have the time or the inclination to fight with it. I just install xubuntu and I can get my work done.
                          You don't use GNOME, yet you berate it? Get a life! :P

                          In any case, the email was not about features. If you're troubled that someone points that out while you're not even using that DE, refer to what I said before

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by newwen View Post
                            Gnome devs are sometimes more interested in being zealots about philosophical concepts
                            You do know that there are 1000+ people working on GNOME right? I mean actual contributing something. Not just ranting on Phoronix :P

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                              Firefox on Windows has a much nicer solution.
                              The window have a Firefox menu in the top-left corner and the menubar are hidden, but if you press the alt-key then the menubar appears.
                              I actually don't have a problem with Firefox since I've combined the menubar into a single button. Much cleaner that way.
                              My issue with this appmenu idea is that it doesn't solve any real problems. Gnome has already been really consistent about the locations of actions into the menu. All this does is forces the user to think a bit more about which menu they're supposed to use, with the big problem being the menus could be separated widely in space.
                              I know they're been issues with multi monitor support in GS and this appmenu design only exacerbates it.
                              I'm telling you, if rhel desktop users report problems with these things they will be changed even if not by the gnome devs.

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