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  • #46
    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    Am I wrong or was it only a german exception that you just can buy systembuilder versions of microsoft software without to build a system? If thats against the american law, whats the reason behind microsoft writing such stuff in their EULA if its generally illigal worldwide? If so should we try to make a law suite, for trying to confuse people with illigel EULAs? I dont get it? Or am I right and you are wrong and pointing to systembuilder versions is for non-german people just bullshit?

    And to the home version:

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/pr..._Office_2010_5

    If I start then a business or something like "Freiberufler" and the difference between job and privat live gets fluid... I risk to get suid by microsoft? Thanx then I dont risk a law suit for hundret billions or so... I go with the 100% free 100% shure no law suit bought solution... Btw I just found some interesting latex packages where I can use fields and loops... so that becomes a good option.

    Btw even if you like the WYSIWYG Thing (I dont, because I am no designer more a developer, so I will always fail to make a better design than some design gurus who wrote this latex desgins) one thing Libreoffice AND MS office really sucks... you cant just git add such a file and see diffs because its both more or less blobs. Thats the biggest problem with that formats... its just technicaly sad that you dont have git-power to this mostly "Text"-Dokuments. And it could be such simple just give a option to save as directory instead of a zip... and load from a directory and just dont zip the content and all would be great.
    An EULA is only legal in Germany if it was handed out to you while buying the product (printed on the package, a screen before buying it online ( see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag ). If you only buy a CD and see the EULA the first time you install it, it has no effect. And even if it is shown to you while buying, it has to comply with the German AGB norm (§§307 - 309 BGB) which is not the case most of the times. So you can just ignore EULA in Germany most of the time.
    Last edited by droste; 11-28-2012, 09:46 AM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Linuxhippy View Post
      Probably the real reason is OpenOffice was done in a cross-platform way in the mid-1990, when there were no true cross-platform libraries available - so they did everything by their own - including writing their own user interface toolkit!. Until MS which has a huge budget on Office, however, nobody found the time and money to refactor it as time went by.
      The suite of Star* programs actually goes back to the 1980s (and it ran on multiple platforms back then too), although maybe the current code base might indeed date back to the early or mid-1990s.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by locovaca View Post
        Perhaps your Amazon is broken.

        Office: $90
        Full Windows 8: $70

        That is a far cry from $500 and $150 originally quoted, as well as the $150 and $140 you got. At least, they are for me.
        Lets see...

        LibreOffice:
        [x] runs on Linux
        [x] opensource
        [x] has enough features to work as office tool
        [x] is free to have

        MS Office
        [_] runs on Linux
        ...
        well the rest does not matter.

        so stop flooding, you choose the wrong forum.

        Been using LO since 3.0, and never had a better Office Suite EVER!

        The ONLY thing I dislike is inability to turn auto-aligning for table sections off.

        Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
        Still no 1-click table management.

        Still no 1-cllick image management

        Still no vertical centralization of text

        Still no auto-paragraphing

        Auto-correct is still a joke.

        PDF-editing is still a joke.


        Microsoft. Office 2013, now. Shut up and take my money.
        Give me your money, and receive a nice big cup of:



        in return,

        Because MSO does not run under Linux! GAME OVER.

        So feel free to bake MSO DVDs up your tosterass!

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        • #49


          Google knows what's up.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by cardboard View Post


            Google knows what's up.
            But you don't know how to use google.




            And speaking of MSO:

            Last edited by crazycheese; 11-28-2012, 08:00 PM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by droste View Post
              An EULA is only legal in Germany if it was handed out to you while buying the product (printed on the package, a screen before buying it online ( see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endbenutzer-Lizenzvertrag ). If you only buy a CD and see the EULA the first time you install it, it has no effect. And even if it is shown to you while buying, it has to comply with the German AGB norm (§§307 - 309 BGB) which is not the case most of the times. So you can just ignore EULA in Germany most of the time.
              yes that was my point, that this is ONLY true for Germany. So pointing to system-builder versions on amazon.COM not amazon.DE is pointless, because you are not allowed to use it without buying a new pc. That was my point or question. So the calculation of this cheap solution was wrong...

              So it was a bit of a "Milchmädchenrechnung".

              Even I have sometimes the feeling that 99% of germans are on this site and talk in english under each other ^^ its not a german site so... special german law things should not be brought as arguments... and if you point out to prices in america you should mention that they are without taxes...

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              • #52
                Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                yes that was my point, that this is ONLY true for Germany. So pointing to system-builder versions on amazon.COM not amazon.DE is pointless, because you are not allowed to use it without buying a new pc. That was my point or question. So the calculation of this cheap solution was wrong...
                There is no such thing as a non-system builder version. The only versions of Win 8 available are Upgrade or an "OEM" full install. Any full install you buy is therefore technically tied to that macihe.

                http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33642_7...etail-version/

                I'm not championing either, all I was pointing out was the $500 and $150 being spouted was wrong.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by locovaca View Post
                  There is no such thing as a non-system builder version. The only versions of Win 8 available are Upgrade or an "OEM" full install. Any full install you buy is therefore technically tied to that macihe.

                  http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33642_7...etail-version/

                  I'm not championing either, all I was pointing out was the $500 and $150 being spouted was wrong.
                  So then you say... if you need a database you have to be rich or ms office is no choice... and then the 500 bucks are true.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                    So then you say... if you need a database you have to be rich or ms office is no choice... and then the 500 bucks are true.
                    Access standalone is $117. Still less than $500, and most consumers do not use Access.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                      Some nice new features are in there but I don't really get why they call that 4.0.
                      I'm under the impression the new version number is a reaction to Apache who are working on an actual OpenOffice 4.0 with that Lotus Symphony stuff integrated and more.
                      I do not understand that either, you would expect a major change.

                      I hope that LO will adopt the Lotus Symphony interface that I really like and I personally think is one of the best interfaces for an office. If Open Office adopt the the Lotus Symphony interface I may switch to that.

                      Certainly not the ribbon interface, I can not get used to the ribbon-interface. I takes so much time. You simply can not scan a brew of big and small icons as fast as menu items. We are trained to read text very fast. Often icons for one function are spread over several ribbons, which is very confusing. And you lose the great advantage of the old interface: Which is that menu's icons are nearly the same and in the same place in all applications. That was one of the great ideas behind the CUA (common user access) interface that MS developed in Windows. If you know one application well, menu's and icons are so similar in other applications that you quickly get accustomed. I think it was a bad idea to break this standard interface.

                      MS office is still the best office no doubt. There is no debate there. But that does not make Libre Office less than excellent. MS Office is for most people simply very expensive overkill. I think most offices would be better of replacing MS Office with Libre Office and have one PC with MS Office for those rare compatibility issues.

                      The problem for MS is that MS Office has been a mature product for a decade now and they have become a sitting duck. OO en LO have become mature products too and the gap becomes smaller all the time. The same with Windows. Rather than innovating MS is trying to sell interface changes as innovation (Ribbon, Metro), interface changes by the way that a great number of people hate, but they simply ignore that. Still they feel more and more threatened by the competition that is why we see MS-evangelists becoming very active on the Internet to spread FUD about the competition. MS still depends on her old cash cows, Windows + Office which constitute 60% of her profit.

                      The interface changes of MS have traditionally two reasons: trying to sell an update for a hefty price by making the application visually different. And to distract the attention of all the negative things they are introducing at the same time like new incompatible formats. It is no coincidence that with the Ribbon came with the new document formats. And it is no coincidence that that the Metro interface comes with a new Metro store. Through such changes MS forces clients to buy new versions of her software all over again. Practically speaking MS Office 2000 is still an excellent office, but it can not open the later formats, that is the only real problem, a problem induced by MS herself to force clients to pay again and again. I understand, that is part of her Business model. It is a commercial company.

                      The problem for MS is: Libre Office is an excellent office and it is only getting better. How long will companies keep on buying a Rolls Royce when a BMW can do the Job as well and is much cheaper? At the same time they are losing the consumers to the mobile market.

                      So what is the answer of MS? it is FUD. They have been doing that from the beginning but it seems they are stepping it up now. Whenever you see a review of one of her competitors products, you will read all kind of negative claims by MS-evangelists. Like real evangelist they seem to stress the same argument over and over even though they are often untrue.

                      And they no longer restrict to general places, but they visit the forums of their competitors too. For instance on Blackberry forums you will read constant negative FUD by MS evangelists. So it does not really surprise me they have come here now too. It only tells us that MS is becoming pretty desperate. The strategy seems to be: if we can not compete on quality, we can always try to slander products and brands of others.

                      It is a pity. MS does make some excellent products. MS Office is a great product, but after decades it simply is greatly overpriced for a product that is near end the of it life cycle. MS should have developed other cash cows by now, but they kept relying on monopolies too long. Negativity is not going to do the trick.

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