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  • #31
    Originally posted by uid313 View Post
    GTK 3 is good!
    Except, it uses twice as memory as GTK 2.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Kivada View Post
      ...but at least Mozilla seems to get that with Thunderbird. As far as they are concerned Thunderbird is a finished product, there are no more advancements to be made, all that remains are bug fixes, security updates and platform compatibility updates.
      What? Do you even use Thunderbird? On a modern PC? They stopped developing it because it's precisely very far away from being finished and it would bring back very little benefits (if any) to Mozilla if they did invest more in it. I used to love Thunderbird, but that was when my PC was connected to a 4:3 screen and the best alternative to it was Evolution. It's a pathetic experience on 16:9 screens, not to mention all the plugins and extras (that tend to break a lot between versions) that are required to implement some functionality that is present in other decent email clients (like calendar, google sync, conversation view, etc). Most software is never "finished". If development stops it usually means something is wrong or people have moved on to other alternatives or technologies.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by devius View Post
        It's a pathetic experience on 16:9 screens
        Current TB has good support for wide screen.

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        • #34
          What a waste of bandwidth. Why not having a survey on Linux desktops in general?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by devius View Post
            What? Do you even use Thunderbird? On a modern PC? They stopped developing it because it's precisely very far away from being finished and it would bring back very little benefits (if any) to Mozilla if they did invest more in it. I used to love Thunderbird, but that was when my PC was connected to a 4:3 screen and the best alternative to it was Evolution. It's a pathetic experience on 16:9 screens, not to mention all the plugins and extras (that tend to break a lot between versions) that are required to implement some functionality that is present in other decent email clients (like calendar, google sync, conversation view, etc). Most software is never "finished". If development stops it usually means something is wrong or people have moved on to other alternatives or technologies.
            Uh, have you? I use Thunderbird daily on on Windows 7 and Linux Mint 13 @ 1600x900, 1366x768 and 1600x1200. It works perfectly for my needs managing 8 email addresses.

            The addons are why it's a finished product, you add in only the functionality that you need and don't add in the bloat you don't. Adding every possible feature to a single application is a recipe for a total and complete disaster.

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            • #36
              working with multiple windows in gnome shell

              Can some who knows how to use the gnome shell let me know how to work with multiple windows at the same time? For example I am watching a stream in a browser and taking notes in a vim. Is this possible in the gnome shell?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by rmic View Post
                Can some who knows how to use the gnome shell let me know how to work with multiple windows at the same time? For example I am watching a stream in a browser and taking notes in a vim. Is this possible in the gnome shell?
                ofc that's possible in gnome shell. Every normal window in Gnome has the "Always on Top" feature which apart from Windows DE's probably almost any modern DE has.

                You can drag and resize windows via your mouse. Or via shortcuts. The super key with arrow key is the default. If you want to change this setting: open dconf Editor below org → gnome → mutter → keybindings
                Workspace settings and other settings are below org → gnome → mutter.

                As notes taking app gnote is currently my favourite.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by rmic View Post
                  Can some who knows how to use the gnome shell let me know how to work with multiple windows at the same time? For example I am watching a stream in a browser and taking notes in a vim. Is this possible in the gnome shell?
                  If you drag the window to the side of the screen, it will offer to use up exact half the screen. Do that with the video and vim, then each has exact 50%.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                    This will never count as feedback.
                    I know, because gnome devs don't want to hear what their users think (good or bad). All they want is bug reports. It has nothing to do with hate or yellow journalism. It has everything to do with gnome devs not being open to suggestion.

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                    • #40
                      working with multiple windows in gnome shell

                      Thanks for both suggestions, browser with the stream will take most of the screen, so I guess Always on Top for the vim window will suit my use case.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by DanL View Post
                        I know, because gnome devs don't want to hear what their users think (good or bad). All they want is bug reports. It has nothing to do with hate or yellow journalism. It has everything to do with gnome devs not being open to suggestion.
                        Do you have any idea how many crack suggestions hit the open dev channels? It is essential infinite high bandwith spam. Having a few developers sort the stuff and reply everyone dosent scale. So it is quite simple; Popular projects are run as do-cracies.

                        And no! Slinging poo-code or "suggestions" over the fence without any commitment to maintain it does not count as do-ing.


                        This counts for any project. There is a slightly different approach to public messaging though. Some places crack people are ignored because of lack/disinterest and other places they choose flattering as a mean of shutting crack pots. Mint tells "every user is important" and still they do their own thing or is hired by donations. Sure they will ship alot of half assed software to please they crowd but they cant possibly maintain it. Today more people care about image and PR than code.

                        Essential gnome is a give-away of free code developed by high quality standards which are matched by no one out there. It is backed by strong companies and have a clear goal and a vision. Everybody in free software should be happy about having such choice. But NOOOO people bitch because image and PR. It is sad to see otherwise bright people turn into a bunch of angry teenager who wants their products to be well imaged as Apples. And this is where yellow journalism prey. A teenagers mad club for echoing hate over lack of PR.

                        BTW You have no clue about gnome. @gnome suggestions should go into a bug report. Mark it as enhancement and apply your patchs. If your reasoning and code is sane you willl build up steam in no time. Otherwise you could try without the patches. I did a quick rundown at the most advertised enhancement imporoments for the shell and found at least ten suggestions from non-devs posted without paches which are pushed as high priority/high publicity right now.
                        http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/2012/...etail-matters/

                        So essential you have no clue about dealing with gnome development and the numbers are against you. Yellow journalists will of course keep you believing otherwise because any lack of drama means lack of *clicks*. And gnome? They might need to hire "community" workers doing nothing for the software but blogging crap posts to avois yellow journalism. It is really sad to see free software needing nannies to keep the cry babies silent. This includes YOU!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                          What is this excuse then? We don't hear what users say cause they talk too much? Really? That is why it sucks? Cause they don't have time to listen?
                          Exactly they don't have time to listen. Also because it would be necessary to review all different opinions. They can't make every GNOME user happy.

                          GNOME lack developers. If they review all different user opinions and critics, they have much less time to develop good software. If you think this should change, try to join their developer team, and listen to the community

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                          • #43
                            I will NEVER get the hate for Gnome 3, sure Gnome 2 did this and that better but when i started using Gnome 3 i cleared my mind about everything i know about "HOW" a desktop should be and unlike Unity i liked it a lot asap i work fast with it and when i switch to Windows 7 i REALLY miss it so yes for me the Gnome devs do a lot right.

                            Only thing i can complain on is the way to kill all ways to configure your system to your liking, no proper theme manager and gnome-tweak is really a piss poor solution, but really if they fix that i will like Gnome 3 even more.

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                            • #44
                              [QUOTE=BO$$;297484]What is this excuse then? We don't hear what users say cause they talk too much? Really? That is why it sucks? Cause they don't have time to listen?[/QUOTE

                              If gnome sucks it must the least sucky option out there. Remember this is the team and spirit that made gnome2. Yes yhey dont have time to listen, answer and maintain every possible "suggestion". Plus some "suggestions" simply is orthogonal to the vision. Think about gnomes old mail client: Not popular, complex, and hard maintenance burden. While the heavy set of features is essential to enterprise customers this is NOT affordable in developer time for most parts of gnome.

                              So why spend all your developr time making an unmaintainable crash prone monster that no one likes? Gnome3 will get where gnome2 was by time. This time without smelling like th 90s.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Fenrin View Post
                                overall I think Gnome 3 is a big improvement to Gnome 2, but some things I don't really like:
                                • pulseaudio dependency
                                • [...]
                                well now I found out that this dependency is actually no huge problem. Gnome shell will apart from maybe emphaty and few other apps still work fine, even if pulseaudio is removed. So and now I'm enjoining a super good sound quality under Fedora 18 (pre-Beta) with OSSv4.
                                Last edited by Fenrin; 11-17-2012, 07:08 AM.

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