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  • Canonical Releases Upstart 1.6

    Phoronix: Canonical Releases Upstart 1.6

    While most Linux distributions have moved on to using systemd as their init daemon replacement, Canonical is still investing in their Upstart init daemon for Ubuntu. Upstart 1.6 has now been released and it presents several new features...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIyODk

  • #2
    Wow

    Wow. Just wow. So few features for 8 months of development. Canonical is seriously misguided if they believe this is the future common init system for linux. Kill it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
      Wow. Just wow. So few features for 8 months of development. Canonical is seriously misguided if they believe this is the future common init system for linux. Kill it.
      No, burn it. I'll supply the gasoline and dance on its grave.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
        Wow. Just wow. So few features for 8 months of development. Canonical is seriously misguided if they believe this is the future common init system for linux. Kill it.
        upstart isn't that bad, but I do wish they'd switch to systemd. Having the same init system across the major distros would be nice, and systemd does have some nice advantages. In addition systemd + the latest upower lets you use systemd for suspend/hibernate instead of the unmaintained and buggy pm-utils, and gives you logind instead of the unmaintained consolekit.

        Maybe they are waiting until after the next lts before making such a big change?
        Last edited by bwat47; 11-15-2012, 10:33 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
          Wow. Just wow. So few features for 8 months of development. Canonical is seriously misguided if they believe this is the future common init system for linux. Kill it.
          What feature do you miss in Upstart?
          It "just works" and sysadmins I know are quite happy about it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Malizor View Post
            What feature do you miss in Upstart?
            It "just works" and sysadmins I know are quite happy about it.
            You wouldn't believe for how many people System V "just works" and are quite happy about it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Malizor View Post
              What feature do you miss in Upstart?
              It "just works" and sysadmins I know are quite happy about it.
              Systemd -despite the udev things that happened lately- seems like a much healthier project with many people behind it. Canonical should change IMO. No point in having 10000 projects doing the same thing.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Malizor View Post
                What feature do you miss in Upstart?
                It "just works" and sysadmins I know are quite happy about it.
                I could name some features which are very cool but Im not here to advertize systemd. I just see a half assed attempt to push another init system which got beaten by the competetion. Since systemd is way ahead and starts to add very usefull features outside init there is no reason to keep upstart alive. By keeping upstart you turn down all the other systemd magic(like the mentioned reliable suspend) which could benefit everyone TODAY.

                Instead we have fragmentation, unneccesary complexity and an inconsistent lousy user experience. The new kids Head&Tails is suspending a linux computer and see if it will come back to life. That is 100% random and 50% chance. And yes this 2012

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                  No point in having 10000 projects doing the same thing.
                  It is much worse. We have MUTUAL EXCLUSIVE projects hampering the whole. It is times like this where you load your shotgun and deal with it. Or better yet let all the contributors fight.

                  That would be a 12 vs 377 fight. Unless of course you are gonna count out Scott Remnant because this principal upstart developer already jumped the ship a year ago. Then it would be 11 vs 377. Who is betting their gold on not-so-Up-to-start?

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                  • #10
                    Sometimes i get really surprised how many people bitch about anything that Canonical does. Systemd is not a bad technology far from it but if you wish bigger picture what it brings : http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/...temd-torvalds/ (someone posted this before ) .
                    Besides there isn't much to add in upstart without completely rewriting it,best thing that canonical can do is maintain it (bug fix it baby ).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kUrb1a View Post
                      Systemd is not a bad technology far from it but if you wish bigger picture what it brings
                      So what does a userland vs kernelland fight bring to the table? Nothing. This is about mutual exclusive init systems where one is a complete whack crack piece of deadware and the other is not.

                      Upstart is a piece of old dung that needs to go away. systemd is the messenger.

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                      • #12
                        You have to understand this:
                        Upstart is modern, it works and it is well tested (does Systemd have a decent test suite now?).
                        Ubuntu does not need to switch to Systemd right now.

                        I do agree that having one standard init system everywhere would be great for many reasons. And Canonical would probably be happy to spend man power somewhere else than Upstart.
                        I think they may reconsider this after 14.04.

                        But such a change is not trivial. Especially with such a fast moving target as Systemd.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
                          until after the next lts before making such a big change?
                          Hopefully. systemd is much more user friendly and it's much easier to configure. It's also much more powerful, so I hope they'll switch.

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                          • #14
                            All your base are belong to us. We will assimilate you, no matter who was first or who is better.

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                            • #15
                              Go! Upstart! go!

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