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  • #51
    Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
    Then dont pay for them. Stay away. It is free software not forced software.
    Free software backed by Red Hat == forced software.

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    • #52
      Gentoo Forked Udev over Systemd

      http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2262

      Seems that not everyone is happy with systemd.

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      • #53
        Kinda-sorta derail:

        ryao, I see you're backing one of the two udev forks from the Gentoo camp. Could you list the differences between those? Why two forks?

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        • #54
          Originally posted by LightBit View Post
          Free software backed by Red Hat == forced software.
          Thats just stupid. Go read your rights at fsf.org. Only a neckbeard without his tin foil hat believes in collective suppresion enforced by evil forces.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by curaga View Post
            Kinda-sorta derail:

            ryao, I see you're backing one of the two udev forks from the Gentoo camp. Could you list the differences between those? Why two forks?
            As I have told others, including those that work on Debian and Ubuntu, that was not an official project announcement. I wrote that email to preempt a policy decision by the Gentoo Council that would have negatively affected the goals of our nascent project. A consequence of doing fully open source development is that with the exception of issues involving the security of our infrastructure, all of our internal emails are public.

            To address your question, our primary goal is compatibility. Previous conversations between one of the existing Gentoo udev maintainers and the udev brain-damaged udev developer(s) showed that they are not willing to make as strong an effort toward compatibility as we are. The decisions that they have made would give us more work as we work toward our first release. We hope that the two efforts could merge in the future, but we have higher priority goals for our first release.

            I could say more, but I am going to say to wait for our official announcement.
            Last edited by ryao; 11-16-2012, 01:23 PM.

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            • #56
              Could you elaborate on what you mean by compatibility?

              Compatibility with systemd? With the kernel? With old udev versions?

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              • #57
                Originally posted by curaga View Post
                Could you elaborate on what you mean by compatibility?
                Yes.

                Originally posted by curaga View Post
                Compatibility with systemd?
                With the udev part of the freedesktop repository where systemd is hosted, not the systemd part.

                Originally posted by curaga View Post
                With the kernel?
                Yes.

                Originally posted by curaga View Post
                With old udev versions?
                Yes.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
                  Thats just stupid. Go read your rights at fsf.org. Only a neckbeard without his tin foil hat believes in collective suppresion enforced by evil forces.
                  "udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we can drop that support entirely." -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc.

                  I know it can be forked (luckily Gentoo devs already did it), but you never know what comes next.

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                  • #59
                    I haven't yet found which of those did the braindead fork's people disagree with, but I suppose it'll get clearer soon.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by LightBit View Post
                      "udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we can drop that support entirely." -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc.

                      I know it can be forked (luckily Gentoo devs already did it), but you never know what comes next.
                      Go with the fork. No one is forcing you.

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