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  • #31
    Originally posted by matyas View Post
    I've found both LXDE and XFCE wonderful alternatives. They feel polished, (fairly) minimalistic, usable and mature. Both are properly customizable. I was a Gnome user before, tried to get used to Unity really hard, but after trying to switch between 6 xterms (or 3 IntelliJ windows) I gave up.
    I found LXDE super usable and it feels really nice to be 1 click away from anything (launch icons in taskbar + task list).
    While I'm not a fan of either, Xfce 4.x is a Gnome 2.x clone anyway. It makes no sense to develop Fallback Mode when Xfce 4.x exists.

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    • #32
      Couldn't care less, so they can concentrate on the proper UI

      Gnome3 is one of the best desktops I used so far, next best would be any of the tiling WM. Maybe we get tiling support in some future release as well (I know there are tiling extensions but they are not working automatic).

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      • #33
        Gnome3 and Unity is really a kindergarten I'm glad to be a KDE user!

        And the funny part is the best argument for KDE isn't any feature of KDE its just the other Desktops and there behaviour what makes KDE the best solution.

        Gnome3/Unity people really act like child’s.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by necro-lover View Post
          Gnome3 and Unity is really a kindergarten I'm glad to be a KDE user!

          And the funny part is the best argument for KDE isn't any feature of KDE its just the other Desktops and there behaviour what makes KDE the best solution.

          Gnome3/Unity people really act like child’s.
          Not the users act like children, there is a certain trend to run around in forums and say bad things about Gnome3 especially if you don't use it. Unity has little to do with Gnome3 except that both use 3D features, I cannot say much about it anyway, only used it from some livecd once. What I saw of Unity, it has some launcher and some search field for applications and documents (oh how wonderful, you now also get Amazon commercial results in the desktop search on Ubuntu).

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          • #35
            Fantastic news!

            At the rate they are removing things Gnome3 Shell will disappear into a singularity pretty soon hehehe

            This is great news, the less people use this pathetic wannabee phone screen desktop the better for all us.
            Keep it up Gnome dev's! All two of you! Honestly, you're doing us all a big favour!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by disi View Post
              Not the users act like children, there is a certain trend to run around in forums and say bad things about Gnome3 especially if you don't use it. Unity has little to do with Gnome3 except that both use 3D features, I cannot say much about it anyway, only used it from some livecd once. What I saw of Unity, it has some launcher and some search field for applications and documents (oh how wonderful, you now also get Amazon commercial results in the desktop search on Ubuntu).
              You don't have to use gnome3/unity to watch the acting of the people who do make this stuff and people who do use this stuff.
              And from a outsider point of view they are a big kindergarten...
              KDE thats professional to not force people into a bad/slow solution for there outdated/ultra low power hardware.
              Yes i don't write only "Outdated" because ultra low power computers are a modern green solution.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by matyas View Post
                I've found both LXDE and XFCE wonderful alternatives. They feel polished, (fairly) minimalistic, usable and mature. Both are properly customizable. I was a Gnome user before, tried to get used to Unity really hard, but after trying to switch between 6 xterms (or 3 IntelliJ windows) I gave up.
                I found LXDE super usable and it feels really nice to be 1 click away from anything (launch icons in taskbar + task list).
                I argee with the LXDE endorsement it's simple and productive.

                Also Mate isn't bad at all, at least I haven't ran into any problems using it.

                XFCE is nice and has a pretty expansive set of utilities and add-ons.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by log0 View Post
                  Just read the article, thanks.

                  A few very enlightening quotes:





                  Fuck you GNOME 3
                  I can't understand all of the article - for example those rekonq remarks. People actually use that? And if they use that and don't like the lack of options, why don't they switch to konqueror, where they have all the freedoms?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by disi View Post
                    Not the users act like children, there is a certain trend to run around in forums and say bad things about Gnome3 especially if you don't use it. Unity has little to do with Gnome3 except that both use 3D features, I cannot say much about it anyway, only used it from some livecd once. What I saw of Unity, it has some launcher and some search field for applications and documents (oh how wonderful, you now also get Amazon commercial results in the desktop search on Ubuntu).
                    who started it? gnome users. Since the first line of gnome code was created, gnome users festered in kde threads attacking, trolling and being just as obnoxious as they can. Just look back at KDE 4.0.

                    But a KDE user just voicing a tiny bit of well deserved criticism in a gnome thread? Scandalous! Go away! You have no right to post here.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by energyman View Post
                      I can't understand all of the article - for example those rekonq remarks. People actually use that? And if they use that and don't like the lack of options, why don't they switch to konqueror, where they have all the freedoms?
                      so like one could apply that to gnome3 too: "why don't they switch to XFCE/KDE/etc, where they have all the freedoms?"

                      Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                      While I'm not a fan of either, Xfce 4.x is a Gnome 2.x clone anyway. It makes no sense to develop Fallback Mode when Xfce 4.x exists.
                      In the words of Gnome3 dev William Jon McCann: "I have no idea what XFCE is or does sorry."

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                      • #41
                        As far as I'm concerned this is open-source democracy at its finest. The vast majority of Gnome users are on x86 desktops with GPUs, so focussing development for this environment is the sensible option. Maybe things will change in the future, but there aren't enough devs to support it at the moment.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                          See this is the problem with both canonical and gnome and other open source idiot devs. They say they will create something new and they do that while saying they will also maintain the older version. After releasing the new version they realize that maintaining the previous version is actually work and it's boring since you don't add stuff but fix bugs so they justify it and no longer maintain it. This is what is fucked up. They supported it until now and now they got bored. This is what is wrong in open source. Nobody wants to do what is neccessary, only what is cool. And apparentely that shitty gnome shell is cool for now. Just wait a few years when they'll say that gnome shell is shit and move on to some other bullshit desktop.
                          So.... what?

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                          • #43
                            IMHO it's great that Gnome 3 is like it is. Would be pretty boring if it looks and behaves almost the same as Gnome 2 or XFCE 4.10. Also since Gnome 3.4 or even 3.2 the behavior and look can be easily changed via extensions. What's the issue with Gnome 3 again? Was it missing configurability which actually is there via extensions?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BO$$ View Post
                              Then I'll go to Microsoft.
                              yes, please do go away and ideally shut up too. let us know how you get on with windows 8 too, i'm sure you'll love that.

                              good work dodging the point that you've never contributed a single fucking thing to open source, so slagging others - who do actually contribute, day-in day-out - off for not doing more is hideous. i know being 13 years old is tough, but don't take it out on the internet please.

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                              • #45
                                interesting timing (from my perspective)

                                I stuck with a semi-gnome environment (using fallback + compiz over Gnome-Shell) for quite a while, but recently i switched out Gnome for KDE.

                                I find the timing of Gnome (announcing) dropping Fallback-mode interesting, since i literally dropped Gnome as my DE the same day. I still have gnome installed and do use many gtk+ apps, but i think at this point for me ~ my days of using any DE made by Gnome developers are over...

                                But at the same time (on another note) - i do think them dropping fallback is probably good if they don't want the burden of maintaining it, nor wasting the resources that could be put to better use.

                                anyway, great to see them making decisions and thus progress, even if i don't plan to use their DE anymore.

                                ...now, if gnome could just figure out a way to not break themes on every point release, i would be very happy with them (since breaking gtk3 themes affects people not even using Gnome).
                                Last edited by ninez; 11-10-2012, 09:47 AM.

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