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  • Trinity KDE 3.5 Desktop Fork Sees New Release

    Phoronix: Trinity KDE 3.5 Desktop Fork Sees New Release

    For those Linux desktop users still not fond of KDE4 and preferring to stick it out with the vintage KDE 3.5 branch, the KDE 3.5 fork known as the Trinity Desktop has seen a new update...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIwNDc

  • #2
    KDE 3.5 was great, but honestly I think it's time to switch to 4.x
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    • #3
      Trinity has decayed into a garbage patch of patches from everywhere, hacks, duplications (HAL running next to udev, dcop next to dbus, etc), all kwin 3.x themes were broken a while back, and there's this tqt thing that is really REALLY really slow.

      It's brought to you by an "international team of developers" called Timothy Pearson.

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      • #4
        Oh my god what a waste of man power. This is so wrong.

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        • #5
          I'm still running Kde 3.5 from the OpenSuSE build service with no issues. Quick as a whip too.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DaemonFC View Post
            Trinity has decayed into a garbage patch of patches from everywhere,
            I think it's pretty logical that patches were assembled from various places, After KDE4.0 came out, many distributions were still using kde3 while kde4 was stabilizing, and they came up with many patches to resolve the remaining issues in 3.5.10

            hacks, duplications (HAL running next to udev, dcop next to dbus, etc),
            Hal running next to udev? You mean exactly like we did before hal got deprecated? Of course Trinity's development branch has progress in removing hal, and the next release should see the removal off much of the hal dependencies.

            Also, udev does not come close to solving all of the issues that hal did. Udev only provides a very small amount of what hal was once able to do.

            all kwin 3.x themes were broken a while back
            Oh no! Boohoo. Abi/api broke after how many releases? All this is required to make the kde3 themes work is being compiled with trinity.

            and there's this tqt thing that is really REALLY really slow.
            I'm sorry do you have any empirical evidence? If not you can shove it.

            What's your beef dude? let people do what they want. Obviously there is some demand for kde3, for whatever reason, and these few folks are spending their energy doing it. I didn't realize that it made you so angry.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by darkbasic View Post
              KDE 3.5 was great, but honestly I think it's time to switch to 4.x
              Most people already did. If it was different, TDE had more contributors. Even openSUSE’s KDE3 implementation, which is not TDE and may only have handpicked a few of TDE’s patches, is driven basically by a single guy.
              KDE 4.0 way have been a hickup from a user’s point of view but for programmers it got rid of unmaintainable spaghetti code and with 4.2 the quality became so good, even super conservative Debian adopted it.

              Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
              Oh my god what a waste of man power. This is so wrong.
              No, it’s not wrong. He can do whatever he wants. I’d rather see him do his own thing rather than polluting other projects.

              Originally posted by mutantturkey View Post
              I think it's pretty logical that patches were assembled from various places, After KDE4.0 came out, many distributions were still using kde3 while kde4 was stabilizing, and they came up with many patches to resolve the remaining issues in 3.5.10
              When KDE 4.0 was released, the latest 3.x version was 3.5.8. It was after 4.0 that 3.5.9 was released and it was after 4.1 that 3.5.10 was released. Both releases already contained the patches you’ve been referring to, including but not limited to merging the Kontact Enterprise branch (maintained by Intevation and KDAB for their commercial customers).

              As I wrote: The version after that, 4.2, was adopted even by Debian.

              Originally posted by mutantturkey View Post
              Oh no! Boohoo. Abi/api broke after how many releases? All this is required to make the kde3 themes work is being compiled with trinity.
              Well, Pearson acts as if TDE was the real successor to KDE3. He even continues the version numbering and if TDE was the real successor and matches the version numbers, he should stick to the binary compatibility promise that all major KDE/SC releases have.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                No, it’s not wrong. He can do whatever he wants. I’d rather see him do his own thing rather than polluting other projects.
                Yes, and how does his work contribute to a better future in the Linux ecosystem? Please give me a good detailed summary on your points.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bulletxt View Post
                  Yes, and how does his work contribute to a better future in the Linux ecosystem? Please give me a good detailed summary on your points.
                  Seems you are completely unable to read properly. When you ask stupid questions, next time make sure the quoted part does not already answer your stupid question.
                  Seriously what part of “He can do whatever he wants” didn’t you understand? Since when are hobbies supposed to “contribute to a better future in the Linux ecosystem”? You do not have any authority to decide on which hobby he spends his own personal time! It’s his life and if you don’t like TDE, just don’t use it and learn respect other people’s freedom. (If you can’t, STFU and move to North Korea!)

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                  • #10
                    smells like stability

                    KDE 3.5 has been receiving bug fixes and patches since its release in 2005. If it keeps getting updated/patched then its in its way to become one hell of a stable/extremely well tested DE.

                    One thumbs up for stability.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by toguro123 View Post
                      KDE 3.5 has been receiving bug fixes and patches since its release in 2005. If it keeps getting updated/patched then its in its way to become one hell of a stable/extremely well tested DE.

                      One thumbs up for stability.
                      It's good to understand that this is not about KDE 3.5 but Trinity that has had a lot more developement than just bug fixing (and is probably more broken than 3.5 ever was). If you want stability and the enterprise security fixes you should run the KDE 3.5.10 found in openSUSE or Pardus.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                        Well, Pearson acts as if TDE was the real successor to KDE3. He even continues the version numbering and if TDE was the real successor and matches the version numbers, he should stick to the binary compatibility promise that all major KDE/SC releases have.
                        This is going to change. The current Trinity version is 3.5.13.1, and it is still compatible with QT3 and KDE3 applications (you may need to recompile the applications, but the source code does not need patching).

                        Starting with next major release, all KDE branding and KDE versionning will be modified.
                        Then, Trinity can finally live as an independant project from both KDE3 and KDE4, even if it has started from a fork. It does not intend to become the "KDE3 upstream" or a "KDE4 replacement": it is an alternative desktop environment.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by toguro123 View Post
                          KDE 3.5 has been receiving bug fixes and patches since its release in 2005. If it keeps getting updated/patched then its in its way to become one hell of a stable/extremely well tested DE.

                          One thumbs up for stability.
                          Now with QT3 being rather outdated and unsupported perhaps it should be ported to QT4 so that it can be built with modern compilers. I liked KDE 3.5 myself as it was quite snappy even on an old thinkpad T23 where KDE 4 is slow as a drunken slug. To me KDE 3.5 was quite well done and with a little more work could been quite rock stable so that it could been around a long time

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Teho View Post
                            It's good to understand that this is not about KDE 3.5 but Trinity that has had a lot more developement than just bug fixing (and is probably more broken than 3.5 ever was). If you want stability and the enterprise security fixes you should run the KDE 3.5.10 found in openSUSE or Pardus.
                            KDE 3.5 is dead. Last commit to its source was almost 2 years ago: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/
                            Kontact’s “Enterprise” branch is almost dead, with only the German translation having received a small change a few months ago.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                              KDE 3.5 is dead. Last commit to its source was almost 2 years ago: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/
                              Kontact’s “Enterprise” branch is almost dead, with only the German translation having received a small change a few months ago.
                              That's not entirely true. There's some activity in openSUSE KDE 3.5 mailing lists and developement is being done. At least the packages can be compiled agaist the latest openSUSE release. Pardus still uses KDE 3.5.10 on its enterprise version so it has to get some security fixes if holes are found. Of course both Trinity and KDE 3.5.10 are dead ends in sense that they depend on outdated technologies like Qt 3 and HAL among others and there's no way they are going to be ported to Qt 4 (without breaking the entire desktop environment in the process).

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