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  • #41
    Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
    Once again LXDE is forgotten about, which annoys me considering its pretty much the only TRUE lightweight DE that is still actively maintained.
    Sorry, but LXDE website is dead, its session manager is broken and many ways of performing basic tasks are counterintuitive.
    XFCE uses just 40MiB more and does all that better, with all major still existing issues being around Thunar, but not the DE.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
      Yeah, at the moment I have Chromium open with 15 tabs open, Desurium open in my tray, LibreOffice displaying an ODT on my second screen, and two instances of Thunar and I am only using 811 mb.

      Might be a difference in how lxtask gets it's information though.
      Chromium has a lot of memory leaks. Consider using Firefox instead. 500MiB vs 120MiB.

      Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
      Yeah, see your Fedora XFCE memory usage is only 200+ MB. The Ubuntu memory usage in the shootout is over 900MB.

      Crazy.
      On Xubuntu with XFCE 4.8 the system used 160MiB.. Price for new features in 4.10?...

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      • #43
        i vote for xfce, although i dont use it

        too all the nitpicks: the man clearly stated that its a subjective benchmark

        on the other hand, the end user is almost always subjective
        even more then some1 who can read the current memory usage


        PS i remember Debian with xfce using 60mb, but lately my rig (openbox/fluxbox) is over 75mb at start
        still its a lot better then default Ubuntu

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        • #44
          Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
          Sorry, but LXDE website is dead, its session manager is broken and many ways of performing basic tasks are counterintuitive.
          XFCE uses just 40MiB more and does all that better, with all major still existing issues being around Thunar, but not the DE.
          The LXDE website is not dead (I suggest you check it again); the last new blog post was on September 24th.

          The session manager is not broken from my experience, and everything else is just personal opinion. PCManFM is definitely much better than Thunar at the moment.

          I like Xfce and use it as my primary, but I also like LXDE and see that it can be better in several other use cases.

          Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
          Chromium has a lot of memory leaks. Consider using Firefox instead. 500MiB vs 120MiB.
          I was just commenting about how I was using bugger all memory, but anyway...

          And considering the accuracy of some of your posts here, I do not think I am going to worry about it.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by bug77 View Post
            1. a first run is hardly a relevant metric
            Depends on whether some self-adjusting preloading mechanism is used or not.

            OTOH, running multiple tests and throwing away the outliers is always a good practice...

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            • #46
              twm should be installed on every system. It is a nice, clean, simple fallback in case anything goes so wrong you can't start your normal environment. It is simple, runs if X runs and you won't feel cozy. Perfect.

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              • #47
                This is a stupid comparison, his boot times seem way off for gnome, kde, and unity. And I think his memory comparisons are also including cached memory, which is a pointless comparison.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                  Sorry, but LXDE website is dead, its session manager is broken and many ways of performing basic tasks are counterintuitive.
                  XFCE uses just 40MiB more and does all that better, with all major still existing issues being around Thunar, but not the DE.
                  Multiple components of xfce just don't seem to be maintained at all (such as the volume mixer), so I don't really think xfce is necessarily in much better "condition" than lxde. And afiak, lxde's website has always had issues, I believe its still an active project. I've also never had any issues with lxdm. I've never really used lxde, but when I used XFCE on arch I used lxdm as my display manager and it seemed nice.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                    Wow. Ubuntu really sucks that much? After login into KDE, memory usage on my system is 290MB. What on earth is Ubuntu wasting the additional 1GB memory on?
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                      The LXDE website is not dead (I suggest you check it again); the last new blog post was on September 24th.
                      Yes, its up, very nice! Thanks for info. Because it was only to be found on google cache just two months ago.

                      Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                      The session manager is not broken from my experience, and everything else is just personal opinion.
                      Thats not a "personal opinion" if you can't save sessions (and autorestore them).
                      Thats about the one of two single issues I had with LXDE and the critical one, because it prevents usage for a newbie user on one of the linux machines I had to assemble.

                      Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                      PCManFM is definitely much better than Thunar at the moment.
                      I would call draw, because you can't get properties of multiple selected objects in Thunar, and Thunar itself seems to use single multex or similar - meaning if copying large files over NFS it would freeze all instances including desktop, due to Linux large mempage defrag bug.
                      On LXDE list of "features" you get very awkward method for adding a link to desktop without ability to drag-n-drop(medium) or editing its main menu(minor).

                      Originally posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
                      I was just commenting about how I was using bugger all memory, but anyway...
                      And considering the accuracy of some of your posts here, I do not think I am going to worry about it.
                      Sorry, I am not an engineer. The test was done on P4 class machine with 512MiB of RAM with 6200 IGP(if I remember correctly, noveau ofc) under Lubuntu and Xubuntu 32bit correspondingly.
                      In one of the screenshots here there is XFCE doing 206MiB on Fedora, so if its 64bit system that would match my results precisely.

                      Regarding browsers, I opened phoronix.com and google in chromium and firefox (13?) and let it stay for 3 hours. After an hour chromium has forced paging to happen by going beyond 400MiB memory usage for unknown reasons. I was unable to find any solution to limit its memory caching appetite and decided it were simply memleaks similar to Firefox 2.0 era.
                      Last edited by crazycheese; 10-10-2012, 07:27 PM.

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