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  • #16
    Originally posted by BoTuLoX View Post
    It depends on how much RAM your system has, really.

    I'm running on a 4GB RAM system with Arch Linux and KDE (the minimal install) and it eats around 600mb on start.

    He has 16GB.

    And I bet you have less than 4.
    Actually I also have 16GB RAM. This is right after boot:

    http://bayimg.com/laDmkAAen

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    • #17
      Hold alt to turn the suspend menu into the menu option that allows for shutdown/restart/log off. I think I read that for 3.6 they were adding the power off menu back because they received to much negative hate over this, of which I was one. The no timeout on the status bar thing at the bottom of the screen is a real annoyance. Especially when you insert a flash drive and the open/eject dialog appears. The entire bottom fourth of the screen is on lock down until you pick one of the options. No dismiss button to be found. Ticks me off to no end when I'm required to pick one of those options when I don't want either. That fail whale dialog need abolished, too. It is practically a BSOD from windows.
      No need to choose one of the actions, just click on the big whale border to dismiss the notification. It will be better in 3.6 probably.

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      • #18
        still on kde

        Considering how complete is a kde desktop, i think that 290MB (full, not just kde) is really a low value.
        Startup time is slow, that's true, but (again), why complain?
        Just hibernate/suspend to disk your machine.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
          Actually I also have 16GB RAM. This is right after boot:

          http://bayimg.com/laDmkAAen
          Well, actually, you're just counting the cache :P.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by BoTuLoX View Post
            Well, actually, you're just counting the cache :P.
            295 is the amount of allocated RAM *without* cache. That's what is generally understood as memory consumption. But even *with* cache, the 565MB I get here are still far away from the 1.3GB on Ubuntu.

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            • #21
              295 is just without buffers+pagecache, but it still includes slab cache.
              Code:
              #as root:
              sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && free
              Will give you the right value.

              Side note: 64bit gives an average of 20% more.

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              • #22
                All of those memory consumption figures are leaving me asking "Just what Ubuntu?" All of those memory values are much much higher than I've seen in Fedora, openSUSE and Slackware of the DEs I've played around with.

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                • #23
                  KDE boot/login speed

                  has sped up considerably with the 4.9 release. Martin Graesslin has been successful with his personal goal of making the login speed faster, and I hope he keeps it up.

                  http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blo...p-performance/

                  IMHO, the login speed of KDE is it's last big problem. Sure, there are plenty of new features that could/should be added, but none nearly as important. And as to KDE memory usage, when your software does more and has more features built in, the realistic effect is that more memory gets used. Though this 1.4GB of memory usage figure is crazy. That's a Kubuntu problem, not a KDE problem. My usage is just under 500MB.

                  Those of you who complain about bugs need to file bug reports. They do get fixed. If yours aren't getting fixed, you need to offer more usable information. This is a PEBKAC issue, not a KDE issue.
                  Last edited by halfmanhalfamazing; 10-10-2012, 12:14 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by kokoko3k View Post
                    295 is just without buffers+pagecache, but it still includes slab cache.
                    Code:
                    #as root:
                    sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && free
                    Will give you the right value.

                    Side note: 64bit gives an average of 20% more.
                    In that case, I get:

                    Code:
                                 total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
                    Mem:         16003        386      15616          0          0         95
                    -/+ buffers/cache:        290      15712
                    Swap:        24576          0      24576
                    I'm on 64-bit of course.

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                    • #25
                      Automatic Bug Reporting Tool

                      http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/...e/ch-abrt.html

                      Bug reports should be a breeze for anybody.

                      If your distribution doesn't have something like this(and this is not anything new) then what you need to do is go to http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops

                      Complaining about bugs is annoying and a waste of time. Get a distribution that makes this easy and useful. Ubuntu also has such a feature, Apport. In addition, GNOME has a program called Bug Buddy, and KDE has it's program, Dr. Konqi.



                      Here's Apport:

                      Last edited by halfmanhalfamazing; 10-10-2012, 12:44 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
                        has sped up considerably with the 4.9 release. Martin Graesslin has been successful with his personal goal of making the login speed faster, and I hope he keeps it up.

                        http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blo...p-performance/
                        Ha, I was wondering why he used KDE 4.8.x in Oct '12.

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                        • #27
                          You want some numbers? Have some numbers!

                          Some rather unscientific tests completed by launching various DEs from first start-up on an updated Fedora 16 system:

                          Blackbox 0.70.1:


                          LXDE 0.5.5:


                          Xfce 4.8:


                          Note that pnmixer is automatically launched for me upon logging into either LXDE or Xfce, and so is Desurium, although in both instances I closed it before checking the memory usage.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Credomane View Post
                            KDE is way too slow for my tastes and the keverything drives me nuts. Yes, I know, Gnome does this to an extend too but not for everything. This is the same reason I despise Apple's naming scheme. iPhone, iPod, iPad, iPhail, iTunes, iCloud and iEverything.
                            Dolphin, Okular, Calligra, Amarok, Gwenview, digiKam (?), Marble, Arků

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Credomane View Post
                              KDE is way too slow for my tastes and the keverything drives me nuts. Yes, I know, Gnome does this to an extend too but not for everything.
                              Neither has KDE for about 5 years now. In fact pretty much nothing new in KDE 4 uses the scheme. Plasma, solid, phonon, dolphin, activities, nepomuk, strigi, akonadi, okular, marble, reqkonq, etc. Several games had to be renamed for trademark reasons, and they all removed the k__ prefix. KOffice was renamed to Calligra (I know, technically it was a split but pretty much everyone went with Calligra and KOffice appears to be dead). The use of the k_ prefix is now strongly discouraged for new KDE projects.

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                              • #30
                                Yeah, see your Fedora XFCE memory usage is only 200+ MB. The Ubuntu memory usage in the shootout is over 900MB.

                                Crazy.

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