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    Phoronix: KDE Vivaldi Tablet Struggling, Now New Design

    While some were fond of the KDE Vivaldi Tablet to begin with (formerly the Spark Tablet), it seems the Linux hardware tablet project is struggling...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE4NzM

  • #2
    It isn't clear from the Phoronix article, but if you actually read the blog post the trouble is not with Plasma Active, it is with OEMs not providing source code and thus violating the GPL. it seems the Plasma Active devs refuse to ship on a non-open platform, which apparently makes things a bit difficult.

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    • #3
      As far as I can tell, there are 2 "open tablets", the Vivaldi and the zaReason Tablet. Beyond that, I don't know a heck of a lot about either. One of these days I would like a tablet however, and I would like it to be MINE, not paying my money for someone else to effectively pwn it.

      Does anyone else know more?

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      • #4
        They should REALLY talk to the people of rhombus-tech. They are working closely with OEM's. Actually, they have been trying really hard to talk to OEM's about GPL etc.

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        • #5
          A tablet with KDE on it?
          Here's the first thing you would have to do if you ever ended up with one in your hands.... erase that KDE off it.

          It would be less painful to bash your head against the pavement than to struggle around with a tablet running KDE. BAD idea.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
            A tablet with KDE on it?
            Plasma Active

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            • #7
              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
              A tablet with KDE on it?
              Here's the first thing you would have to do if you ever ended up with one in your hands.... erase that KDE off it.

              It would be less painful to bash your head against the pavement than to struggle around with a tablet running KDE. BAD idea.
              trolling??

              besides is not KDE SC for deskop but plasma active[much lighter] for mobile devices

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              • #8
                So what did happen to the Vivaldi tablet? Seems like the hardware manufacturer didn't play fair and they ended up not shipping anything due to various differences. Is that correct? The post isn't really clear about that, and there's nothing about it to be seen on the Vivaldi website.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by brent View Post
                  So what did happen to the Vivaldi tablet? Seems like the hardware manufacturer didn't play fair and they ended up not shipping anything due to various differences. Is that correct? The post isn't really clear about that, and there's nothing about it to be seen on the Vivaldi website.
                  Read the linked blog post here it is again if you can't be bothered to go back to the article http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/09/a...n-vivaldi.html .

                  Essentially the manufacturer involved was violating the GPL, so they were pressing this issue with said manufacturer. The manufacturer relented eventually but then decided to try to force different hardware on them and then renegaded on the deal entirely. However a company has now Approached them and as part of their pitch was telling them they were GPL compliant and so that's what they're going to go with though the company is remaining unamed for the time being.

                  ^ This by the way is more or less what the article should have essentially said. Dress it up a bit sure, but the negative spin was uncalled for. It's far more correct to say they were struggling but now there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                    Read the linked blog post here it is again if you can't be bothered to go back to the article http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/09/a...n-vivaldi.html .
                    I read it, of course, but this article just presents some very vague information without any context.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
                      Essentially the manufacturer involved was violating the GPL, so they were pressing this issue with said manufacturer. The manufacturer relented eventually but then decided to try to force different hardware on them and then renegaded on the deal entirely.
                      I'm in China right now, and I'll tell you that a lot of the problem with hardware manufacturers right now is that a lot of their "driver code" is already stolen from another corporation or open source drivers and they don't want anybody to know because they're terrified of the punishment that the Chinese government would deal out. So if they "open source" their code, their company will likely get sued and/or shut down by another company and/or the Chinese government instantly which would put them out of business. So a lot of Chinese companies think it's "not smart" to be open sourcing their hardware code because they know that 90% of it is already stolen without permission, and they stole it from major corporations by having somebody on the inside of the mega corporation sending source code "under the table" or by hacking attacks against major corporations.

                      I don't think there's a whole lot to be gained from having an "open platform" based on Chinese designed hardware, chances are if they gave you the code under an "open source" license, you'll have a mega corporation knocking on your door demanding to know how the hell you got your hands on *THEIR* proprietary source code.

                      Very few hardware manufacturers here have their own original source code to go with their hardware, and the ones that do are all based in Taiwan instead of Mainland China.

                      Just my 2 cents, but I think expecting an entirely open platform for a tablet right now is a bit too high of a bar. They should just focus on getting a Plasma Active tablet out the door and then later focus more on "open platform".

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                      • #12
                        As said, this exactly what Rhombus-tech has been trying to do for the last few years. Work a SoC manufacturer an a hardware manufacturer to actually try to comply with the GPL. That's why I say, rhombus-tech has experience and I'm sure will gladly work with them.

                        As for Stealing codes etc in china, I know Allwinnertech is based in China, and their SoC is very open source right now. What IS lacking is the GPU en VPU drivers. And with regards to the GPU, many many SoC's use the mali400. Actually, I don't think any Chinese SoC manufacturer uses their own GPU. And with that, you are bound to ARM (or powervr, adreno etc) and those players play even less nice. The only hope the KDE team has in that regard, is working with the lima/freedreno devs.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sidicas View Post
                          I'm in China right now, and I'll tell you that a lot of the problem with hardware manufacturers right now is that a lot of their "driver code" is already stolen from another corporation or open source drivers and they don't want anybody to know because they're terrified of the punishment that the Chinese government would deal out. So if they "open source" their code, their company will likely get sued and/or shut down by another company and/or the Chinese government instantly which would put them out of business. So a lot of Chinese companies think it's "not smart" to be open sourcing their hardware code because they know that 90% of it is already stolen without permission, and they stole it from major corporations by having somebody on the inside of the mega corporation sending source code "under the table" or by hacking attacks against major corporations.

                          I don't think there's a whole lot to be gained from having an "open platform" based on Chinese designed hardware, chances are if they gave you the code under an "open source" license, you'll have a mega corporation knocking on your door demanding to know how the hell you got your hands on *THEIR* proprietary source code.

                          Very few hardware manufacturers here have their own original source code to go with their hardware, and the ones that do are all based in Taiwan instead of Mainland China.

                          Just my 2 cents, but I think expecting an entirely open platform for a tablet right now is a bit too high of a bar. They should just focus on getting a Plasma Active tablet out the door and then later focus more on "open platform".
                          There are Chinese company’s without problems like that: Loongson hardware.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                            A tablet with KDE on it?
                            Here's the first thing you would have to do if you ever ended up with one in your hands.... erase that KDE off it.

                            It would be less painful to bash your head against the pavement than to struggle around with a tablet running KDE. BAD idea.
                            As pointed out above Plasma active is not KDE.

                            Secondly the whole point of having open hardware is that is becomes simple to install new software. want to dual boot PA, maemo/tizen, android and gentoo. cool. no ugly hacks, and the devs can help point you in the right direction.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ssam View Post
                              As pointed out above Plasma active is not KDE.

                              Secondly the whole point of having open hardware is that is becomes simple to install new software. want to dual boot PA, maemo/tizen, android and gentoo. cool. no ugly hacks, and the devs can help point you in the right direction.
                              No, it has more characters and takes longer to type.

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