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  • Ten Suggestions For The GNOME Camp

    Phoronix: Ten Suggestions For The GNOME Camp

    Stemming from last year's GNOME User Survey that was hosted on Phoronix since the GNOME Foundation wasn't interested, the results continue to be analyzed...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE4MDc

  • #2
    11) If you are one of the idiots responsible for UI/UX castrate yourself.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
      11) If you are one of the idiots responsible for UI/UX castrate yourself.
      huh didn't see that coming. They (the gnome designers) are as clueless as a server vendor about what users want from a desktop.

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      • #4
        While I appreciated the efforts in the 2011 Gnome Survey, I thought some of the questions were quite vague. I'd propose for the 2012 Survey to drill down with specificity as to what features the users like/dislike as well as what features the users believe are missing.

        Also a rating system with 0 - completely dissatisfied and 5 - completely satisfied would be better for consistency. I'd also like to see the Survey broken down into sections (ie. Look & Feel, GUI options, File Handling, Core Applications, etc). I believe each question should be specific, and the user answer should be (0-5) that way, the answers could be processed by a script and we could get some meaningful statistics out of the survey. There could be a comment box at the end of each "section" for the users to leave comments.

        Where is the discussion about the 2012 Gnome User survey taking place?

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        • #5
          A different opinion

          I've choose to stay out of this silly debates surrounding Gnome 3 till now. But I do feel things have gone a little too far.
          I've lost count of the articles published by Michael on the topic, but I do know they are too many.

          For me personally Gnome 2 was a disaster, visually bloated (why in the hell would you want 2 panels on the screen???!!!) and counter-intuitive. It used too much screen space when browsing menus, you had to pass too many sub-menus to reach your app, it had bad search functionality, it had an useless applets system...so that is why I always preferred KDE4 to Gnome 2. But I recently gave up on KDE 4...after 5 years of development Plasma still crashes on me. On Kde 4.9 the networkmanager is completely broken as to not allow to connect to DSL and wireless.

          So about 3 months ago I gave Gnome 3 a try, and I was impressed by how well it works. No bugs, fast and pretty. And with the extensions system you finally have decent expansion possibilities. I do miss Kwin effects but not so much as to give up on Gnome.

          I do understand the conservative faction of the Linux community...but I do not understand idiocy and stubbornness.
          Get over it already and give Gnome 3 try!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Adrinnho View Post
            I've choose to stay out of this silly debates surrounding Gnome 3 till now. But I do feel things have gone a little too far.
            I've lost count of the articles published by Michael on the topic, but I do know they are too many.

            For me personally Gnome 2 was a disaster, visually bloated (why in the hell would you want 2 panels on the screen???!!!) and counter-intuitive. It used too much screen space when browsing menus, you had to pass too many sub-menus to reach your app, it had bad search functionality, it had an useless applets system...so that is why I always preferred KDE4 to Gnome 2. But I recently gave up on KDE 4...after 5 years of development Plasma still crashes on me. On Kde 4.9 the networkmanager is completely broken as to not allow to connect to DSL and wireless.

            So about 3 months ago I gave Gnome 3 a try, and I was impressed by how well it works. No bugs, fast and pretty. And with the extensions system you finally have decent expansion possibilities. I do miss Kwin effects but not so much as to give up on Gnome.

            I do understand the conservative faction of the Linux community...but I do not understand idiocy and stubbornness.
            Get over it already and give Gnome 3 try!
            I agree with most of what you are saying. In my opinion, Gnome 3 uses desktop space much more effectively than the older GNOME 2 (I too could never figure out why you would want two horizontal panels on a widescreen monitor). Gnome 3 just fits widescreen monitors better. I have more vertical space because of it. It took some time to get used to the new GUI paradigm; however, after using Gnome 3 for several releases, I feel I'm actually more productive on it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Adrinnho View Post
              I do understand the conservative faction of the Linux community...but I do not understand idiocy and stubbornness.
              Get over it already and give Gnome 3 try!
              I also agree with you that most negative responses tend to be fruit of stubbornness, and I also prefer Gnome 3 to 2, but the other day I read what they are doing to Nautilus and my mind changed completely. Have you read this? It's basically saying that you won't be able to start typing in nautilus to jump to the first file/folder with those characters. You also won't be able to use the F3 shortcut to create a new pane. The devs solution? Just open a new nautilus window and position it to the side of the first one.... yeah, much better/faster then just pressing F3. What is this? Mac? They seem really keen on emulating the crappy and mostly useless Finder What a disappointment.

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              • #8
                I really don't know where all this vocal Gnome3 hate comes from. I left KDE because of it's sluggishness and stability, I tried Gnome3 and fell in love. I'm a software developer, and it's easily the most productive environment I've ever used.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                  I really don't know where all this vocal Gnome3 hate comes from. I left KDE because of it's sluggishness and stability, I tried Gnome3 and fell in love. I'm a software developer, and it's easily the most productive environment I've ever used.
                  How you measure productivity? And honestly don't you find counterproductive the fact that the same action requires more "moves" to complete.

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                  • #10
                    Excuse me, many people did try it. I was using it for a while and I hated it more than I hated GNOME 2 and I hated GNOME 2. And before you tell me to use it for a week, I did in fact I was using it for almost half a year. Not to say it was a complete atrocity, there were some things I liked but I mostly hated it. :/

                    On a second note, I always found KDE more stable than GNOME 3 too. Doesn't surprise me much though, considering that all these DE's probably get effected differently by different hardware/drivers combinations.
                    Last edited by Edogaa; 09-10-2012, 03:50 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                      I'm a software developer, and it's easily the most productive environment I've ever used.
                      Just out of curiosity, which other options besides Gnome 3 and KDE 4 have you tried and how do you measure your productivity?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                        How you measure productivity? And honestly don't you find counterproductive the fact that the same action requires more "moves" to complete.
                        Primarily I find it faster to launch programs when using the keyboard or mouse. How do you mean more "moves"? To launch a program just hit the Windows key and begin typing the name of it, hit enter when it appears - faster than navigating a Start menu (or KDE's clone). And by mouse, I just throw the corner into the top-left corner, start typing it's name with my left hand and click on it when it appears. And I put my most used programs in the quick access bar on the left in 'Activities' mode.

                        Switching programs is alt-tab like every OS, certainly doesn't take more 'moves'.

                        In reality this is all personal opinion and everyone likes different things, but the level of vitriol against Gnome3 is utterly bizarre. I use Gnome 2 and Windows 7 at work, I used to use KDE and currently use Gnome 3 at home - none of them spoil my life to the point where I feel the need to spread hate about it across the web. People have too much time on their hands...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TobiSGD View Post
                          Just out of curiosity, which other options besides Gnome 3 and KDE 4 have you tried and how do you measure your productivity?
                          How do you measure yours?

                          I've used GNOME 1.x → 3.x, KDE 1.x → 3.x, Enlightenment 13 → 16, Blackbox/Openbox/Fluxbox, awesome, WindowMaker, fvwm2/fvwm95, XFCE, LXDE, OS X 10.3 → 10.7, Windows 3.11 → XP, and certainly some others which I'm missing out here.

                          And, contrary to the claims that 'only idiots like it', 'it's not designed for real work', and 'all power users obviously hate it', I love it and think it's the most productive and pleasant environment for software development I've yet used. It's got its flaws, but go back from GNOME 2.30 to 2.0 and see how much you like that (or just search for exactly the same arguments being trotted out during the transition from 1.4 to 2.0). 3.0 → 3.2 → 3.4 has brought massive incremental improvements on the radical design change, and I'm expecting more of the same from 3.6.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cbamber85 View Post
                            Primarily I find it faster to launch programs when using the keyboard or mouse. How do you mean more "moves"? To launch a program just hit the Windows key and begin typing the name of it, hit enter when it appears - faster than navigating a Start menu (or KDE's clone). And by mouse, I just throw the corner into the top-left corner, start typing it's name with my left hand and click on it when it appears. And I put my most used programs in the quick access bar on the left in 'Activities' mode.

                            Switching programs is alt-tab like every OS, certainly doesn't take more 'moves'.

                            In reality this is all personal opinion and everyone likes different things, but the level of vitriol against Gnome3 is utterly bizarre. I use Gnome 2 and Windows 7 at work, I used to use KDE and currently use Gnome 3 at home - none of them spoil my life to the point where I feel the need to spread hate about it across the web. People have too much time on their hands...
                            First of most people just use the mouse to do things like launch apps and in general do things that don't require typing. They are spoiled by windows or whatever and habits are difficult to quit but thats what they fuckin do. And you cannot overlook that.

                            On gnome 2 you could have your most used apps on the panel on the screen. (we are talking for environments out of the box not using extensions etc). The move pointer>click is faster than click (or throw the cursor) activities>wait for the animation> click app.

                            Also another case. Try rearanging windows on the workspaces and tell me if its more efficient than Gnome 2.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                              First of most people just use the mouse to do things like launch apps and in general do things that don't require typing. They are spoiled by windows or whatever and habits are difficult to quit but thats what they fuckin do. And you cannot overlook that.

                              On gnome 2 you could have your most used apps on the panel on the screen. (we are talking for environments out of the box not using extensions etc). The move pointer>click is faster than click (or throw the cursor) activities>wait for the animation> click app.

                              Also another case. Try rearanging windows on the workspaces and tell me if its more efficient than Gnome 2.
                              You are both right, actually.

                              The problem is that both Unity and Gnome3 are nice if you are willing to use the keyboard. But just compare the time to move from the 1st workspace to the last on the mentioned two and Gnome2 - using only the mouse.
                              Gnome 2: position + click
                              Gnome 3: position (corner) + position (above workspace) + double click
                              Unity: position (side) + position + click + position + double click

                              So you and up with more steps (5(!) on Unity) that also involves massive mouse movements. Basically the idea of workspaces is killed with the inefficiency, unless you use the keyboard, that is.
                              I am still astonished that nobody ever realised what an immense regression this is...

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