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  • #31
    Originally posted by necro-lover View Post
    In my point of view Digia Buys Out Qt From Nokia only because they are necrolovers.
    Qt is death they do have ZERO relevance in the desktop market and ZERO relevance in the mobile market.
    Mobile is the world of iOS and Andorid and both do not use Qt and the Desktop is the world of Windows,Macos,Ubuntu and not a single one of these popular OS systems use Qt.

    Sorry but the truth is Nokia only sell it because Qt do not have any worth or relevance.
    Congratulations for actually registering to the Phoronix forums to say that.

    Either you're trolling or have been very misinformed, my friend.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by necro-lover View Post
      In my point of view Digia Buys Out Qt From Nokia only because they are necrolovers.
      Qt is death they do have ZERO relevance in the desktop market and ZERO relevance in the mobile market.
      Mobile is the world of iOS and Andorid and both do not use Qt and the Desktop is the world of Windows,Macos,Ubuntu and not a single one of these popular OS systems use Qt.

      Sorry but the truth is Nokia only sell it because Qt do not have any worth or relevance.
      Yeah, its not like one of the most popular linux desktop environments uses qt extensively, as does various popular software (such as vlc player), how about you get over yourself and stop spreading fud?

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      • #33
        Please read the Wikipedia article for more examples of software that use Qt.

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        • #34
          In my point of view Digia Buys Out Qt From Nokia only because they are necrolovers.
          Qt is death they do have ZERO relevance in the desktop market and ZERO relevance in the mobile market.
          Mobile is the world of iOS and Andorid and both do not use Qt and the Desktop is the world of Windows,Macos,Ubuntu and not a single one of these popular OS systems use Qt.

          Sorry but the truth is Nokia only sell it because Qt do not have any worth or relevance.
          Stop trolling. What do you mean Windows, MacOS and Ubuntu do not use Qt? Qt has been on these systems for years!
          Qt is the main toolkit for Blackberry OS 10, there is an Android port and they are porting to iOS.
          Besides this does not matter, most Qt money comes from licenses used in industrial settings and embedded systems. Most Qt apps aren't for the consumer.

          You are an absolute idiot if you think Qt has zero relevance. It has the backing of Google, Samsung, RIM, ICS, Intel, Panasonic, KDE, Philips, Sony, European Space agency, VLC media player, HP, Dreamworks, Siemens, Volvo, Lucasfilm, Autodesk, Wolfram and The Foundry.

          If you are saying Qt has no relevance because pretty much no mainstream OS uses it as the _primary_ toolkit for development you are wrong. Qt hasn't had this for 20 years, it isn't going to die because of it now. Java hasn't had this except for android, (which is recent). It has done fine for years.

          Stop trolling.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
            It has the backing of Google, Samsung, RIM, ICS, Intel, Panasonic, KDE, Philips, Sony, European Space agency, VLC media player, HP, Dreamworks, Siemens, Volvo, Lucasfilm, Autodesk, Wolfram and The Foundry.
            Steam.

            Valve is not known for making compromises.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by M1kkko View Post
              Congratulations for actually registering to the Phoronix forums to say that.
              Either you're trolling or have been very misinformed, my friend.
              And so one and so one nerd-life is pissed if someone shows him the reality and the reality shows clear that Qt do not have any relevance on any market-share in the business.
              The mainstream is were the big money goes and Qt do not have any place in the mainstream. Just compare the market-share of Ubuntu (unity) to Kubuntu (Qt) o well nerd paradise do not like to compare the relevancy with real numbers they prefer to calculate with dream numbers instead.

              Originally posted by bwat47 View Post
              Yeah, its not like one of the most popular linux desktop environments uses qt extensively, as does various popular software (such as vlc player), how about you get over yourself and stop spreading fud?
              Well how do you measure the "most-popular" ? DistroWatch.com? LOL only nerds use that website real man calculate in euro or dollar turnover and profit. And no Linux desktop distro with QT technique make any turnover or profit. And your popular software "VLC" worth nothing because the people don't spend any money on it and again the lie is revealed just by the turnover and profit numbers. Thy to fool another one not me. Show me any Qt relevance turnover and profit numbers.

              Out of business is the second name of Qt. Inside of the business they do not have any place.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by necro-lover View Post
                And so one and so one nerd-life is pissed if someone shows him the reality and the reality shows clear that Qt do not have any relevance on any market-share in the business.
                The mainstream is were the big money goes and Qt do not have any place in the mainstream. Just compare the market-share of Ubuntu (unity) to Kubuntu (Qt) o well nerd paradise do not like to compare the relevancy with real numbers they prefer to calculate with dream numbers instead.


                Well how do you measure the "most-popular" ? DistroWatch.com? LOL only nerds use that website real man calculate in euro or dollar turnover and profit. And no Linux desktop distro with QT technique make any turnover or profit. And your popular software "VLC" worth nothing because the people don't spend any money on it and again the lie is revealed just by the turnover and profit numbers. Thy to fool another one not me. Show me any Qt relevance turnover and profit numbers.

                Out of business is the second name of Qt. Inside of the business they do not have any place.
                You are calling _other_ people nerds when you register on a Linux news site so you can express your unfound hatred of a programming toolkit? That is a new level of hypocrisy.

                "Show me ny Qt relevance turnover and profit numbers."
                Nice how a troll ignores all the other posts lol.

                Profit numbers? They can afford ~200 employees and in 2006 their net profit was around ~1million USD. Not bad when your only revenue source was selling free software under a different license. There are 2 companies I know of, ICS (ics.com) and kdab who make _all_ of their money from Qt.
                As for relevance? First there are plenty of Qt deployments on Desktop and mobile. Even if there weren't it doesn't matter. You realize most development work is in custom software and behind the scens stuff? The vast majority of paid Qt deployments are not in the consumer market. They're in big companies who need powerful, fast, native, cross platform software.

                I will repeat,
                Companies/Organizations using Qt:
                -VLC
                -KDE
                -RIM
                -ICS
                -KDAB
                -European Space Agency
                -Google
                -Walt Disney
                -Dreamworks
                -Lucasfilm
                -HP
                -Philips
                -Panasonic
                -Samsung
                -Seimens
                -Sony
                -Intel
                -Volvo
                -Wolfram
                -The Foundry
                -Autodesk

                Doesn't look irrelevant to me.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  behind the scens stuff?
                  These must be the code words for no source and no prove and no relevance.
                  But well nice there is magic and there is special but you can not show it to me because I'm a outside stranger and only insider true nerds know the truth.

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  Profit numbers? They can afford ~200 employees and in 2006 their net profit was around ~1million USD.
                  ~?~ Be sure company's like Google spend more money on Toilet paper.
                  Anyway ~?~ other company know there numbers and don't need ~?~ numbers to fake there business.

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  You are calling _other_ people nerds when you register on a Linux news site so you can express your unfound hatred of a programming toolkit? That is a new level of hypocrisy.
                  True nerds found hypocrisy were freedom of speech is. What next threats to my life?

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  Nice how a troll ignores all the other posts lol.
                  Maybe a mistake to not ignore your reaction but you will claim your offense shit on me anyway. What next troll ? call 911?

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  Not bad when your only revenue source was selling free software under a different license.
                  What a useless business model. Really no one care if they are gone forever.

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  There are 2 companies I know of, ICS (ics.com) and kdab who make _all_ of their money from Qt.
                  I don't expect an answer but tell me, who id fooled by this company's?
                  Were is the market-force to spend money on these company's?

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  The vast majority of paid Qt deployments are not in the consumer market.
                  Sure they do not have any consumers. What a irony a technique without the need of any consumer.

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  They're in big companies who need powerful, fast, native, cross platform software.
                  To big to fail right? What next after bank-Bail-out a big-company-powerful-fast-native-cross-platform-software Bail-out?
                  Maybe the banksters fear the Qt-sters and Bail them out to lower the Food Stamp need of Nerds?


                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  I will repeat,
                  Companies/Organizations using Qt:
                  -VLC
                  -KDE
                  Zero turnover and profit.

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  -RIM
                  -HP
                  -Sony
                  These company's do not have any future and they are close to bankruptcy.
                  Wait 1 year and RIM will not exist any-longer.
                  HP's numbers are also worst and Sony's failure is a epic earthquake in the near future.

                  Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                  -ICS
                  -KDAB
                  -European Space Agency
                  -Google
                  -Walt Disney
                  -Dreamworks
                  -Lucasfilm
                  -Philips
                  -Panasonic
                  -Samsung
                  -Seimens
                  -Intel
                  -Volvo
                  -Wolfram
                  -The Foundry
                  -Autodesk
                  Doesn't look irrelevant to me.
                  Now show me the turnover and profit of these company's attached to Qt.
                  And don't fool me again with naming big company's name without any prove for your claim.

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                  • #39
                    God your an Idiot. Plus, your english is very bad.
                    These must be the code words for no source and no prove and no relevance.
                    But well nice there is magic and there is special but you can not show it to me because I'm a outside stranger and only insider true nerds know the truth.
                    You are dumb. Behind the scenes stuff is referring to embedded systems you do not interact with. Qt is common in technical applications in industries like aviation and automotive. Average desktop users do not use technical applications.

                    ~?~ Be sure company's like Google spend more money on Toilet paper.
                    Anyway ~?~ other company know there numbers and don't need ~?~ numbers to fake there business.
                    What the hell is a ~?~ symbol?

                    SO because they are only making a few million and only a few hundred people it is nothing? LOL, there is only one Google in the world, just because something isn't as big as Google doesn't make it tiny.
                    First you ask numbers for proof, then I give you public record and published numbers and call them fake? Troll.


                    True nerds found hypocrisy were freedom of speech is. What next threats to my life?
                    How dumb are you? Do you even know what a "nerd" is? You are calling other people nerds when you are doing something "nerdy" and on a "nerd" website. Contradicting yourself, that is hypocrisy. You're english is really bad, or you are stupid if you think this involves freedom of speech or death threats.

                    What a useless business model. Really no one care if they are gone forever.
                    What? Selling support and free (as in source code) software under differnt license is a very common model. Red Hat has made 1 billion in revenues and over 5000 employees with this model. There are many, many companies using this model. Qt has been supported for 20 years by this model! Oh and tell the ~450000 developers using Qt to not care.

                    Sure they do not have any consumers. What a irony a technique without the need of any consumer.
                    Your english is bad. You have mistaken the word "consumer" for "customer". "Consumer" in this sense refers to the average person on the street. Average person are nt knowledge able about computers and only pay for "Consumer" software. Software like MS office, video games, Antivirus, Video/photo software, ect. Qt is not for these people. Qt sells licenses for software engineer and companies. Most of Qt software are technical applications. An example of one of the few technical applications that an average user like you can use is Wolfram Mathematica. This is a very powerful application done using Qt, and is targeted at engineers and scientists, like many Qt applications. Mathematica costs $295 for the Home Edition. I think that is the cheapest one. Here is a link to the page: http://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/
                    Home Edition: http://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/h.../hobbyist.html

                    To big to fail right? What next after bank-Bail-out a big-company-powerful-fast-native-cross-platform-software Bail-out?
                    Maybe the banksters fear the Qt-sters and Bail them out to lower the Food Stamp need of Nerds?
                    They are not too big to fail. They are too succesful to fail!

                    Zero turnover and profit.
                    Qt does not make money from paid software. The software using it can be free of charge or cost thousands and Qt makes the same money. Qt makes money from, support, consulting, pre made widgets, and most important: commercial license. Qt is normally free under LGPL, but if you want to do something the LGPL will not let you, you need to pay several thousands of dollars for a license, and as far as I know this is per developer. Thousands per developer. And people pay for this. Lots of people pay.
                    Also VLC has been downloaded 1billion times, and KDE is used by a few million people. KDE is 2nd largest open source project in the world! I am showing you relevance with KDE and VLC.

                    These company's do not have any future and they are close to bankruptcy.
                    Wait 1 year and RIM will not exist any-longer.
                    HP's numbers are also worst and Sony's failure is a epic earthquake in the near future.
                    HP will not die, they will get weak. They are only going down in their PC business. They have a lot of other business and products besides PCs. Such as their servers and HP-UX. It is these products that use Qt!
                    RIM can still survive if they do it right. They will have small market but they are still selling millions. They will shrink and continue, but they will still be around. They also have QNX operating system as well which is widely deployed in over 200 cars as well as other embedded systems. QNX can run Qt too.
                    Sony failing? Really? I hear the company is doing fine in terms of profits and money. Their customer service and products are bad, but not finances.

                    I don't expect an answer but tell me, who id fooled by this company's?
                    Were is the market-force to spend money on these company's?
                    These companies have been around for years and I can tell you KDAB has been expanding recently and ICS has been around since before Qt. First they did a lot of work with the Motif toolkit, but not so much anymore. It is mainly Qt now. Motif is only ever used in big Unix systems like AIX and HP-UX. Motif is an old tollkit that has not been updated in many many years. Only updates are via community open motif, which I think is reverse engineered.
                    ICS has been doing Qt business for years and they are sustainable.

                    Now show me the turnover and profit of these company's attached to Qt.
                    And don't fool me again with naming big company's name without any prove for your claim.
                    Do you really think companies list every penny ever moved through them and release it to the public? Thats like if store says they have sold $5000 dollars worth of bread and you call them a liar and ask for every receipt!

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                    • #40
                      Oh well, I guess I bit...

                      @necro-lover:
                      Since you're trolling so hard, I'll bite hard.
                      (Full disclosure: I use very little Qt software myself...but then, I prefer GTK1 and Motif :-/)
                      Google:
                      Uses Qt for Google Earth, and I'm pretty sure there's more stuff than that.
                      Google Earth has been downloaded well over a billion times.
                      You should know that they're rather large...

                      ICS:
                      Originally posted by http://www.ics.com/company/about
                      ICS products are distributed worldwide throughout the US, Europe, and Asia.
                      ICS's client list is primarily made up of Fortune 500 companies.
                      ICS's current product offerings include development tools, training courses, and consulting services.
                      ICS has a customer base of more than 10,000.
                      Primarily Qt, but also a little business in Motif.
                      Intel:
                      You know that they're large. (Unless you just crawled out from a basement you'd been living in for the past 30 years, but I assume that's not the case).
                      Qt isn't essential to their core business, but see http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/tags/qt and remember that Meego and Tizen are both Qt-based...
                      Autodesk:
                      Maya is based on Qt.
                      If you don't know what Maya is or how widespread it is, please don't bother posting until you've read up.
                      Similarly for the company.

                      I'm not going to bother researching every single company (I know that at least a dozen of the others are similarly large), but before you post again, read http://qt.nokia.com/qt-in-use -- not doing so will make it look like you
                      a) have no interest in being correct or doing basic fact checking
                      b) are incapable of following a link and reading it, let alone forming a judgement of how important technology is,
                      AND/OR
                      c) are too convinced of your position to consider looking at evidence to the contrary.

                      Meanwhile, I have yet to see one example or bit of evidence from you. That's a lot of presumption from you. Also, in logic, we call this: misplacing the burden of proof.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                        ...
                        These companies have been around for years and I can tell you KDAB has been expanding recently and ICS has been around since before Qt. First they did a lot of work with the Motif toolkit, but not so much anymore. It is mainly Qt now. Motif is only ever used in big Unix systems like AIX and HP-UX. Motif is an old tollkit that has not been updated in many many years. Only updates are via community open motif, which I think is reverse engineered.
                        ICS has been doing Qt business for years and they are sustainable.


                        Do you really think companies list every penny ever moved through them and release it to the public? Thats like if store says they have sold $5000 dollars worth of bread and you call them a liar and ask for every receipt!
                        For the most part, very good.
                        However:
                        OpenMotif is the semi-open-source (~EPL+"Open source kernel only") distribution of the official Motif; last update was 2010. ICS is the official maintainer for OpenMotif.
                        Lesstif is the reverse-engineered version.

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                        • #42
                          @Ibidem

                          You know that they're large. (Unless you just crawled out from a basement you'd been living in for the past 30 years, but I assume that's not the case).
                          Qt isn't essential to their core business, but see http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/tags/qt and remember that Meego and Tizen are both Qt-based...
                          I think intel cares more about Qt due to their subsidary, Wind River, which has Vxworks and an Wind River Embedded Linux, both Vxworks and linux are supported by Qt. That looks more important then App up.
                          Also Tizen uses HTML5 and EFL. Only meego and moblin used Qt.

                          As for my errors about motif, I think I may have been confused on the recent open sourcing of CDE. CDE uses motif and motif is about to be open sourced as well but they need to work out some legal things. CDE sources on the other hand. compile and work fine with open motif so they have released that. Article in question: http://www.osnews.com/story/26247/CD...as_open_source

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                            Your english is bad. You have mistaken the word "consumer" for "customer". "Consumer" in this sense refers to the average person on the street. Average person are nt knowledge able about computers and only pay for "Consumer" software. Software like MS office, video games, Antivirus, Video/photo software, ect. Qt is not for these people. Qt sells licenses for software engineer and companies. Most of Qt software are technical applications. An example of one of the few technical applications that an average user like you can use is Wolfram Mathematica. This is a very powerful application done using Qt, and is targeted at engineers and scientists, like many Qt applications. Mathematica costs $295 for the Home Edition. I think that is the cheapest one. Here is a link to the page: http://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/
                            Home Edition: http://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/h.../hobbyist.html
                            Well well you are just naive because its not my english because I know the difference between a "customer" and a "consumer" it was just intentional to equate both. And your reaction is even more funny because you claim there is a difference and then you try to prove the absence of Wolfram Mathematica in the consumer market with a "Home Edition" LOL I explain it just for you to make sure you get the joke inside of your message: A Home Edition is the edition for the consumer instead of the professional or enterprise edition which are designed for professional "customers".
                            Be sure I did not make a mistake I just show the joke in your babbling.

                            There is no market-force to use Qt stuff and in serious business there is no freedom to choose at all there is only "force". And this show us your next point in a way it really is :

                            Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                            Qt does not make money from paid software. The software using it can be free of charge or cost thousands and Qt makes the same money. Qt makes money from, support, consulting, pre made widgets, and most important: commercial license. Qt is normally free under LGPL, but if you want to do something the LGPL will not let you, you need to pay several thousands of dollars for a license, and as far as I know this is per developer. Thousands per developer. And people pay for this. Lots of people pay.
                            If you are use Open-Source and you are fine with Open-Source then there is no need to pay any dollar but if you want to abuse open-source in the closed source way then you need to pay and they only pay because they try to use closed-source to force there customers and consumers into a dependency.
                            And this prove there is no freedom to choose at all there is only "force".

                            Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                            God your an Idiot.
                            [...]
                            You are dumb.
                            [...]
                            How dumb are you?
                            [...]
                            you are stupid
                            ~Best of Phoronix~
                            Other people get a ban for insults like this but you get the nerd bonus they don't ban you because they laugh at you.

                            Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                            Do you even know what a "nerd" is? You are calling other people nerds when you are doing something "nerdy" and on a "nerd" website.
                            Question: Who is a bigger nerd the one who try to be a serious nerd doing serious nerdy stuff on a website he claims is a serious nerd platform or the one who just make fun to have fun ?

                            Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                            They are not too big to fail. They are too succesful to fail!
                            Yes yes world domination I can feel the market force (NOT)

                            Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                            Also VLC has been downloaded 1billion times, and KDE is used by a few million people. KDE is 2nd largest open source project in the world! I am showing you relevance with KDE and VLC.
                            Useless nerd argumentation because: downloads,userbase and the size of the code do not have any relevance because only turnover and profit matters.

                            Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                            HP will not die, they will get weak. They are only going down in their PC business. They have a lot of other business and products besides PCs. Such as their servers and HP-UX. It is these products that use Qt!
                            RIM can still survive if they do it right. They will have small market but they are still selling millions. They will shrink and continue, but they will still be around. They also have QNX operating system as well which is widely deployed in over 200 cars as well as other embedded systems. QNX can run Qt too.
                            Sony failing? Really? I hear the company is doing fine in terms of profits and money. Their customer service and products are bad, but not finances.
                            First they get weak and then they die because there are only 2 valid statuses in a capitalism market "grow or die" get weak is just another word for pass away/out of business.
                            And I hope you are a share holder of RIM because the rule "grow or die" makes sure you lose a lot of money on your share value.
                            Also HP-UX do not have any relevance anymore because of "Linux" in the server market.
                            And Sony compared to the Xbox the PS3 was a big failure and mistakes like this turn them into a loser company.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by necro-lover View Post
                              And so one and so one nerd-life is pissed if someone shows him the reality and the reality shows clear that Qt do not have any relevance on any market-share in the business.
                              The mainstream is were the big money goes and Qt do not have any place in the mainstream. Just compare the market-share of Ubuntu (unity) to Kubuntu (Qt) o well nerd paradise do not like to compare the relevancy with real numbers they prefer to calculate with dream numbers instead.


                              Well how do you measure the "most-popular" ? DistroWatch.com? LOL only nerds use that website real man calculate in euro or dollar turnover and profit. And no Linux desktop distro with QT technique make any turnover or profit. And your popular software "VLC" worth nothing because the people don't spend any money on it and again the lie is revealed just by the turnover and profit numbers. Thy to fool another one not me. Show me any Qt relevance turnover and profit numbers.

                              Out of business is the second name of Qt. Inside of the business they do not have any place.
                              I said "one of the" most popular, not "THE" most popular. Work on you're reading comprehension, you imbecile. Its common knowledge that KDE and Gnome are the two most popular DE's. I'm not trying to get into which one is the "most" popular, nor do I want to.

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                              • #45
                                So...necro-lover, what can someone with the extensive financial expertise that you currently hold, tell me where I can best invest my hard-earned dollars?

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