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    Phoronix: VMware Virtualization With OpenGL Still Smacks Oracle VirtualBox

    Earlier this year I said VMware's virtual GPU driver was running fast for Linux -- in comparison to Oracle's VM VirtualBox 3D guest acceleration support. This continues to be the case with VMware's OpenGL stack leading the way with superior support and performance. Recently I ran some desktop virtualization tests under VMware Fusion 4.1.3 and Oracle VM VirtualBox 4.1.18 from the Retina MacBook Pro with OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion host. Even with the OS X host, VMware's 3D support exposed to the Ubuntu 12.04 LTS virtualized guest was much faster.

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=17720

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    Is there a benchmark of these games running directly on Mac OS X on this system somewhere? It would be nice to have some basis as to how these games should be performing on this particular system.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by phoronix View Post
      When it comes to the different virtualization choices for Linux desktop use, VMware continues to be my best recommendation.
      Erm, isn't vmware fusion mac only?

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      • #4
        It would have been nice to see some compairsons to bare metal in those graphics.

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          And Xen smacks everything else. It has the best pci passthrough drivers. But i haven't tested vfio yet.

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          • #6
            Never trust a VM without access to the source code. Vmware is a blackbox with a backdoor.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KameZero View Post
              Erm, isn't vmware fusion mac only?
              Yup. Fusion is for Mac, exclusively. ~ but we shouldn't be surprised since Michael uses MacOSX as his main OS (and uses an Ubuntu VM, as a guest).

              it doesn't really matter though, the differences / performance gaps should be similar using VMware Workstation 8.x for Linux. The only difference i would guess (from my own experience, having used both products over the years) is that the h/w accelerated graphics for VMs might actually be better under linux.

              My VMs generally perform nicer with linux than with MacOSX. which is also why i don't bother buying/using VMware fusion anymore.... I used to buy Fusion, since my work pays for my VMware Workstation license, but at the end of the day linux seemed to be doing a nicer job and my use of VMs in MacOSX just wasn't needed, nor was the expense justified.

              Originally posted by Rallos Zek View Post
              ... Vmware is a blackbox with a backdoor.
              while i agree VMware (or any closed-software) is a 'blackbox'. I think it is important for you to actually back your claim that there is a backdoor - Can you please provide us with citations, links and technical information that supports your claim?
              Last edited by ninez; 08-08-2012, 03:00 PM.

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              • #8
                i agree, we need some native performance as well for comparison

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                • #9
                  Since when is playing stupid games a reason for using a virtual machine??!?!?
                  Virtual machines only have rudimentary GL support for the purpose of supporting composited desktops and other light loads. NOT GAMES.

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                  • #10
                    did vmware lift their 'thou shall not publish benchmarks' law?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by YoungManKlaus View Post
                      i agree, we need some native performance as well for comparison
                      As said in the article, it's coming in a later article.

                      Originally posted by oliver View Post
                      did vmware lift their 'thou shall not publish benchmarks' law?
                      Nope :P But they seem fine with me running VMware benchmarks; they already tweeted the article from their account plus contacted me to say they liked the article and to work on testing something new.
                      Michael Larabel
                      http://www.michaellarabel.com/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by phoronix View Post
                        Phoronix: VMware Virtualization With OpenGL Still Smacks Oracle VirtualBox

                        Earlier this year I said VMware's virtual GPU driver was running fast for Linux -- in comparison to Oracle's VM VirtualBox 3D guest acceleration support. This continues to be the case with VMware's OpenGL stack leading the way with superior support and performance. Recently I ran some desktop virtualization tests under VMware Fusion 4.1.3 and Oracle VM VirtualBox 4.1.18 from the Retina MacBook Pro with OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion host. Even with the OS X host, VMware's 3D support exposed to the Ubuntu 12.04 LTS virtualized guest was much faster.

                        http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=17720

                        Michael,

                        Any chance you could throw in kvm and xen passthrough for comparison? I've seen kvm numbers for Lost Planet compared to bare metal and kvm performed upwards of 90%. I'd expect xen to perform similarly. I've no idea how vmwf compares.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                          Since when is playing stupid games a reason for using a virtual machine??!?!?
                          Virtual machines only have rudimentary GL support for the purpose of supporting composited desktops and other light loads. NOT GAMES.
                          Wrong. I need decent OpenGL acceleration to use CAD applications in virtual machines for work. VirtualBox isn't sufficient for this unfortunately but VMWare is.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Michael in the article
                            When it comes to the different virtualization choices for Linux desktop use, VMware continues to be my best recommendation. While it's not free [...]
                            Wrong: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/overview.html

                            It's not free for Mac but it _is_ for Linux.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                              Since when is playing stupid games a reason for using a virtual machine??!?!?
                              Virtual machines only have rudimentary GL support for the purpose of supporting composited desktops and other light loads. NOT GAMES.
                              I play The Sims 1 in Virtualbox. :-) Playing "stupid games" would be a huge boon for VM software.

                              Am I correct in understanding two things:

                              1) VMWare has OpenGL acceleration of a Linux guest, but can't accelerate Direct3D in a Windows guest?

                              2) This "Xen passthrough" stuff I keep hearing about could only be used with a second graphics card for accelerating graphics?

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