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  • #16
    Originally posted by 0xCAFE View Post
    They didn't write it, they bought it. And Google is moving it bit by bit into the web as the possibilities of the web advance.
    The fact that they bought it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it's written in Qt

    If you want to put it that way, no corporation writes any software because they pay human beings to do it.

    Google is still publishing updates to Google Earth

    They will kill it off when you can do the same in html5

    good luck with that

    in the meantime enjoy the cross-platform goodness

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    • #17
      Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
      Google is still publishing updates to Google Earth

      They will kill it off when you can do the same in html5

      good luck with that

      in the meantime enjoy the cross-platform goodness
      The Google Earth Web plugin isn't based on Qt, and MapsGL is the beginning of a pure HTML5 Google Earth.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by 0xCAFE View Post
        The Google Earth Web plugin isn't based on Qt, and MapsGL is the beginning of a pure HTML5 Google Earth.
        exposing OpenGL to web code is a frightening security mess

        OpenGL was designed for the ground up for max performance, it has no security features whatsoever

        gluing on security is a horrible painful and slow process, ask microsoft

        in the meantime it's a laboratory experiment

        some of us have work to do today

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        • #19
          Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
          exposing OpenGL to web code is a frightening security mess

          OpenGL was designed for the ground up for max performance, it has no security features whatsoever

          gluing on security is a horrible painful and slow process, ask microsoft

          in the meantime it's a laboratory experiment

          some of us have work to do today
          Yes, and webDX is where?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by funkSTAR View Post
            Im sorry to inform you about some well known facts; Qt IS the bottom...
            you're aware that qt is used by hundreds and hundreds of companies for internal apps that never show up in any "marketplace"???

            Check out the rates for Qt consultants, not bad for "the bottom"

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            • #21
              Most likely ms will buy parts of nokia, but before nokia has got get rid of those things which ms does not like to buy.

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              • #22
                not likely

                Originally posted by Kano View Post
                Most likely ms will buy parts of nokia, but before nokia has got get rid of those things which ms does not like to buy.
                There can be little doubt that many LARGE Qt customers have clauses in their contracts that would prevent that from happening.

                Look at the list of Qt customers, these people will not allow the framework that runs their companies to be hijacked in such a manner.

                Motif was licensed with similar clauses, to protect the interest of people who relied on it.

                If Nokia fails to update Qt in a timely manner, these clauses will kick in and Qt will cease to be an asset for Nokia. It's not in their interest to get zero dollars for an asset.
                Last edited by frantaylor; 08-02-2012, 04:37 PM.

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                • #23
                  The customer is always right

                  Sucks they got pinked but they only worked QT. These days you have to branch out into other disciplines.

                  If they know cellphone development they could move into that shop. These companies have many work environments.

                  I've changed job-titles many times at my company.

                  Arrogance will kill you every time.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                    Exactly, but trolls like Elanthis will keep spreading FUD about Linux and praise M$.
                    Maybe I missed out on some fun forum threads, but while I don't agree with everything elanthis says I wouldn't go around labelling him as a troll and MS shill.

                    And regarding the topic - I think as soon as Nokia jumped in bed with MS that this was inevitable. qt will be sold off - hopefully to a company that relies on it for part of their core infrastructure (as has already been said many times). You never know, if we're lucky this could end up being a good thing for qt.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
                      exposing OpenGL to web code is a frightening security mess
                      Not substantially more so than exposing JavaScript, except that too many drivers have crashy code in them (which is often a problem even for trusted code that happens to be buggy or unusual).

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
                        Nokia signs deal with Microsoft

                        Nokia allows Qt to disintigrate

                        Microsoft publishes tools and guidelines for porting Qt applications to Windows

                        Anyone see the pattern here???

                        All these years and NOTHING EVER CHANGES

                        Clearly Qt 5.0 is considered a THREAT to Microsoft

                        Why else would they extend their resources to snuff it out?
                        Are you joking? Microsoft fears Apple, Google, Oracle, and IBM, not some toolkit. As I said in a different thread, Qt was a flea squished between titans shaking hands. It wasn't even on the agenda.
                        Seriously, why would you expect otherwise? Doesn't WP7 run Qt? Does ios allow Qt?
                        Some people have this really inflated opinion of the importance of a toolkit...

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                        • #27
                          BlackBerry 10 uses Qt

                          Originally posted by liam View Post
                          Are you joking? Microsoft fears Apple, Google, Oracle, and IBM, not some toolkit. As I said in a different thread, Qt was a flea squished between titans shaking hands. It wasn't even on the agenda.
                          Seriously, why would you expect otherwise? Doesn't WP7 run Qt? Does ios allow Qt?
                          Some people have this really inflated opinion of the importance of a toolkit...
                          Some people don't do enough research :-)

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                          • #28
                            Toolkits are the crux

                            Actually toolkits are everything. They are the "worlds" that programmers live in to make software. Developers for Windows software have lived and died in those toolkits as you can see from the original wordperfect developers. LIVED AND DIED.

                            QT is a very complete toolkit, covering many aspects of programming and coding for an operating system. Then, they go overboard by it actually being cross-platform.

                            QT is a "world" that programmers can live in to make software for ALL PLATFORMS. QT is a "world" that programmers have been living in to make software for ALL PLATFORMS.




                            On a side note, it is really sad to see the number of trollfests when the facts are so obvious. If MS had been legally required to NOT commit vendor lock-in and if MS had been legally required to REVEAL compatibility details about its platform toolkits, everything else about MS Windows would be irrelevant. There would be no noticeable difference in application performance, complete binary compatibility. Plenty of choice. So when people say toolkits are small and unimportant, this couldn't be further from the truth. And whoever is saying that is either VERY IGNORANT or PURPOSELY OBSCURING THE TRUTH.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by texaswriter1983 View Post
                              Actually toolkits are everything. They are the "worlds" that programmers live in to make software. Developers for Windows software have lived and died in those toolkits as you can see from the original wordperfect developers. LIVED AND DIED.

                              QT is a very complete toolkit, covering many aspects of programming and coding for an operating system. Then, they go overboard by it actually being cross-platform.

                              QT is a "world" that programmers can live in to make software for ALL PLATFORMS. QT is a "world" that programmers have been living in to make software for ALL PLATFORMS.




                              On a side note, it is really sad to see the number of trollfests when the facts are so obvious. If MS had been legally required to NOT commit vendor lock-in and if MS had been legally required to REVEAL compatibility details about its platform toolkits, everything else about MS Windows would be irrelevant. There would be no noticeable difference in application performance, complete binary compatibility. Plenty of choice. So when people say toolkits are small and unimportant, this couldn't be further from the truth. And whoever is saying that is either VERY IGNORANT or PURPOSELY OBSCURING THE TRUTH.
                              You are mistaken.
                              I don't think you have ever developed software, really.
                              Toolkits are but a small part, besides Qt is not a toolkit like GTK is. Qt is a framework, it has tons and tons of things that aren't related to GUIs at all. It's like calling all of .NET a toolkit.
                              Either way, the "world" were software developers make software is called a language. There are many applications that do all their logic in a language like C++, and that code is the same for every platform. They then just redo the GUI using the platform's native GUI toolkit, such as Cocoa or Gtk ect.

                              Either way, I hope a good company buys Qt as it is amazing. Either way Qt won't die as there are too many big corporations invested into it which would have clauses in their contracts to ensure continued development of Qt. Combine that with the KDE agreement and Qt's future is pretty secure.

                              What I think, Nokia well sell of Qt and other assets not related to their mobile business, and then get bought out by Microsoft.

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                              • #30
                                You can't tell me I'm mistaken and then agree with me at the same time. Your post is diddling with semantics.

                                If you attempt to say that programming is just using a language, try writing a simple GUI program in C, C++, C#, or even assembly. Even with your frameworks, it would be an extreme pain. What QT does, framework or toolkit, is make this process very easy within the context of a language.

                                Also, by the way, I'm sure there is some significant difference between framework or toolkit, calling QT something broader means that you agree with me even more. QT has audio toolkits, video toolkits, etc etc. This doesn't make me mistaken or wrong.

                                ALSO, your entire post is a red herring.

                                To bring this back to the original meaning, I'll restate the previous post. Here, I'll even use your word, since you've demonstrated that you care about semantics more than actuality.

                                QT is a framework containing many toolkits that programmers can use to create a different programming environment or "world". It embodies easily creating programs that seamlessly and effortlessly work on multiple platforms. There is no single framework encompassing so many programming elements (toolkits) that allows such cross-platform programming to be undertaken so easily.

                                FOr the trolls, I am not saying there are no cross-platform frameworks or toolkits.

                                Originally posted by n3wu53r View Post
                                You are mistaken.
                                I don't think you have ever developed software, really.
                                Toolkits are but a small part, besides Qt is not a toolkit like GTK is. Qt is a framework, it has tons and tons of things that aren't related to GUIs at all. It's like calling all of .NET a toolkit.
                                Either way, the "world" were software developers make software is called a language. There are many applications that do all their logic in a language like C++, and that code is the same for every platform. They then just redo the GUI using the platform's native GUI toolkit, such as Cocoa or Gtk ect.

                                Either way, I hope a good company buys Qt as it is amazing. Either way Qt won't die as there are too many big corporations invested into it which would have clauses in their contracts to ensure continued development of Qt. Combine that with the KDE agreement and Qt's future is pretty secure.

                                What I think, Nokia well sell of Qt and other assets not related to their mobile business, and then get bought out by Microsoft.

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