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  • #16
    I might try it once it reaches arch repo, before kde just never finished logging in. It just stopped at the end of the splash screen.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
      Bugs that are really annoying:

      • Some windows minimize towards the center of the desktop rather than towards the task bar. Qt Creator and tvtime always trigger that bug here.
      • KWin is very slow and choppy with low power GPU modes (50Mhz graphics / 135Mhz mem / 101Mhz proc). So I have to force a higher performance level.
      • Icons "jump" around when hovering the mouse over them (Desktop as well as in Dolphin). Doesn't always happen. Whether it happens or not seems to be fixed at login time.
      • Switching keyboard layout ignores the desktop (the desktop will use the last layout of the last application.)
      • KMix lacks some mixer sliders offered to me by alsamixer. Namely the "front", "rear", "center", "woofer" and "side" sliders. Only "master" is offered. This is with an Asus Xonar D1 card.
      • KDM stopped remembering the user name of the last logged in user after 4.6.
      • Admin password prompts are in stealth mode. Practically, you wait for a long time for the button you just clicked to do something, only to discover that this whole time a password prompt was opened that is hidden behind the current window.
      • Even though I set KDE to always automount new devices when I plug them in, it doesn't work with everything; I still have to click on "mount" in the plasma notifier.
      • The "back" and "forward" buttons of my mice (all of them) don't work. No going back/forward with them in stuff like Konqueror, Dolphin or file dialogs.

      There are other smaller annoyances, but they're simply due to broken design rather than being bugs (for example the resize handle on borderless windows sometimes cover scrollbar buttons and statusbar information.)

      I still like KDE very much :-) It's just these things get very annoying and it's very disappointing every time I update my KDE installation and see they haven't been addressed. (I did report them on bugs.kde.org of course.)
      Ha, you seriously do have KDE issues
      Also, you _did_not_ test KDE 4.9! I know for sure since your last point specifically _works_ in dolphin (mouse back/forward button). However, that button stuff is actually a Qt limitation! One that might finally get resolved properly in Qt 5.1. Devs can hack around it which is apparently done in Dolphin.

      As for your first issue, yes, that nags me as well. I "think" i've narrowed it down to the task manager, but it's not really easy to track. Also, it's not really worth to track or put more time in it since all of that should be rewritten in QML anyway. That's why not manny people even try to fix it. However, the QML port - as far as i know - isn't even existing yet!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by kayosiii View Post
        My understanding is this is/will be fixed in Qt 5.
        Nearly. Rick Stockton is working on this and it's aimed for Qt 5.1 IF he gets it done. Might even be 5.2. And yes, it is a Qt limitation. Qt - as it stands right now - only allows shortcuts to be set based on keyboard keys. So CTRL + Mouse click is not possible yet.

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        • #19
          Many thanks go to TheBlackCat who, if I understand correctly, did a huge part of the job, offering the packages for openSUSE! (Currently still RC2 but that one works great here.)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
            [*] Some windows minimize towards the center of the desktop rather than towards the task bar. Qt Creator and tvtime always trigger that bug here.
            This is a known bug Ė actually a combination of bugs. Some of the bugs are already fixed (according to the main bug report the issue was worse in the past) but the remaining bug(s) are very hard to locate. Considering that this is a minor visual glitch, it has relatively low priority.

            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
            [*] KMix lacks some mixer sliders offered to me by alsamixer. Namely the "front", "rear", "center", "woofer" and "side" sliders. Only "master" is offered. This is with an Asus Xonar D1 card.
            KMix is practically unmaintained. Itís a shame that a central piece of software can end up this way. For PulseAudio users VeroMix is probably the better tool.

            Originally posted by RealNC View Post
            [*] The "back" and "forward" buttons of my mice (all of them) don't work. No going back/forward with them in stuff like Konqueror, Dolphin or file dialogs.
            That's no KDE bug. Itís a Qt bug which actually canít be solved without breaking the ABI. Qt 4.x canít include a bugfix for this reason. In Qt 5 the bug is fixed since a long time.

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            • #21
              Kde! Kde! Kde!

              Great, I'll be trying it out soon. It sounds like the bugs won't even effect me. I haven't minimized a window in years. Why click twice? I don't have forward and back buttons on my mouse either. It is one of those rare left handed mice. Works great.

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              • #22
                I just updated to 4.9 (it hit the Gentoo Linux repo yesterday.) KWin is a bit of a disaster :-| Too much lag. Moving a window around means the mouse cursor moves first, and only later does the window catch up to where you moved the mouse. Disabling VSync doesn't help (both in System Settings as well as in NVidia Settings.) It was perfectly fast and snappy in 4.8. My theory of KDE accumulating more and more bugs turns out to be true, at here here.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                  I just updated to 4.9 (it hit the Gentoo Linux repo yesterday.) KWin is a bit of a disaster :-| Too much lag. Moving a window around means the mouse cursor moves first, and only later does the window catch up to where you moved the mouse. Disabling VSync doesn't help (both in System Settings as well as in NVidia Settings.) It was perfectly fast and snappy in 4.8. My theory of KDE accumulating more and more bugs turns out to be true, at here here.
                  I have the opposite. I use a HD 6550M mostly in low/mid power mode and up to 4.8 it had that behaviour with OpenGL effects so I had to use the xrender compositing. But now with 4.9 the OpenGL effects are very smooth. It even seems to work fastly with the OpenGL 2 shaders activated. I'm using the raster graphics system by the way.

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                  • #24
                    Why didn't you test?

                    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                    KWin is a bit of a disaster :-| Too much lag. Moving a window around means the mouse cursor moves first, and only later does the window catch up to where you moved the mouse.
                    This is a bug in Aurorae which got spotted last weekend, while the patch is already finished it was too late for 4.9.0. Switching to any non Aurorae theme will fix this issue.

                    I just want to point out that the regression was introduced in January or February. It seems to be very easy to spot when you use this functionality. Anybody complaining about this being in the release should ask himself why he did not spend some time to test the betas and release candidates. With the Project Neon KVM image that's easy enough to do.

                    Now before someone asks: no I don't move windows through the titlebar. I use the window content area or alt+lmb, so no I did not spot this issue.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                      And none of the bugs fixed, probably. And new bugs introduced. Most stuff in KDE has been on a downwards slope the last year.
                      Let's hope 4.9 is an exception. KDE has more bugs than MS-DOS, Windows 95 and Windows Me put together. Amarok and Phonon have even gotten to a point where it's not possible to play your music anymore.
                      So, you don't know yet and you comment? Except it's usable unlike dos and windoze. Amarok and Phonon works great, but I'm using Kubuntu where packages aren't upgraded when just new release arrives.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                        KWin is very slow and choppy with low power GPU modes (50Mhz graphics / 135Mhz mem / 101Mhz proc). So I have to force a higher performance level.
                        This is a graphic driver problem. It occurs with Open Source radeon drivers and power profile method. With fglrx it works fine.

                        Icons "jump" around when hovering the mouse over them (Desktop as well as in Dolphin). Doesn't always happen. Whether it happens or not seems to be fixed at login time.
                        That's something new.

                        KDM stopped remembering the user name of the last logged in user after 4.6.
                        This works fine and was never broken for me. I recommend to try some not rolling distros sometimes, because they make additional fixes.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                          KDM stopped remembering the user name of the last logged in user after 4.6.
                          Have you checked your options on the last page of login manager settings? There's option for changing that.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                            Many thanks go to TheBlackCat who, if I understand correctly, did a huge part of the job, offering the packages for openSUSE! (Currently still RC2 but that one works great here.)
                            Thanks. Unfortunately obs is having some problems right now, but the x86_64 packages for openSUSE 12.1 at least should be available.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by markg85 View Post
                              Nearly. Rick Stockton is working on this and it's aimed for Qt 5.1 IF he gets it done. Might even be 5.2. And yes, it is a Qt limitation. Qt - as it stands right now - only allows shortcuts to be set based on keyboard keys. So CTRL + Mouse click is not possible yet.
                              What does Ctrl+Click have to do with Back and Forward in Dolphin, etc. which is only a single click on Mouse4/Mouse5? IIRC Qt 4.x uses a really weird data format for mouse buttons which limits it to 3 buttons but according to http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/10970 the fix to support up to 31 mouse buttons was committed to Qt 5 last November.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by mgraesslin View Post
                                This is a bug in Aurorae which got spotted last weekend, while the patch is already finished it was too late for 4.9.0. Switching to any non Aurorae theme will fix this issue.
                                I just tried different ones, but it doesn't help.

                                Now before someone asks: no I don't move windows through the titlebar. I use the window content area or alt+lmb, so no I did not spot this issue.
                                Just tested that. This has the exact same issue here. Alt + grabbing and moving in the middle of a window shows the same lag.

                                I'm using the 302.17 NVidia drivers on a GTX 560Ti, btw.

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