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    Phoronix: GNOME 4.0, GNOME OS Coming In 2014 & Other Crazy Plans

    While some GNOME developers and users see the once fledging desktop environment fading into abyss, other GNOME developers see nothing but GNOME getting better with the best yet to come. It's been called for this week from GUADEC that GNOME 4.0 to be released in March of 2014 along with GNOME OS. That's not all of their ambitious plans but they think they can gain a 20% market-share by 2020 and they also have some other plans on their agenda...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE0ODg

  • #2
    Are we supposed to laugh or weep at these childish PR predictions.. plus their own OS.. they're as usually out of touch with reality. I hated Unity now I think it was a good idea.

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    • #3
      I like the idea of Gnome OS distribution at least. I can see that there are benefits of having full control over the entire stack and focusing on single desktop environment. I doubt that it will get much traction though and it will never have 20% market share even if everything went perfectly.

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      • #4
        The 20x20 slide was obviously a joke... sigh at another Phoronix GNOME article.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mark45 View Post
          Are we supposed to laugh or weep at these childish PR predictions.. plus their own OS.. they're as usually out of touch with reality. I hated Unity now I think it was a good idea.
          My thoughts exactly. These guys really need to rethink their priorities. Many old users of gnome 2 decided to skip on gnome 3 in favor of other environments like KDE. Developers are leaving their team too, yet they want a 20% market share by 2020? Even if Linux got tha market share, the desktop environment of choice most probably wont be gnome, if they keep heading in the same direction theyre heading now.

          What I find funniest about this is that despite the major criticism of gnome 3 being that it looks too much like a smartphone interface, and at the same time it wouldnt work for a smartphone, the gnome 3 are still targetting the mobile phone space, despite the fact that no major mobile phone runs gnome 3 (or X11 linux for that matter), and even if they did, the programs will not be optimized for use on a phone.

          They truly lack a sense of direction, in my opinion

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 9a3eedi View Post
            What I find funniest about this is that despite the major criticism of gnome 3 being that it looks too much like a smartphone interface, and at the same time it wouldnt work for a smartphone, the gnome 3 are still targetting the mobile phone space, despite the fact that no major mobile phone runs gnome 3 (or X11 linux for that matter), and even if they did, the programs will not be optimized for use on a phone.
            I do not see the word "phone" anywhere except on the market share slide. You're fantasizing.

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            • #7
              Gnome OS! I love that thinking.

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              • #8
                Make no little plans.
                They have no magic to stir men's blood and probably will not themselves be realized.

                Daniel Burnham
                I thought somethink like that before I read the slides, so why do you say they are not in touch with the reality, they even dont belive that their plans are realistik but they think that its better to have big plans and realize only a port of it instead having only small plans.


                So maybe you did not read the slides carefully or you just want to flame them...

                and naturaly most of the readers of your text did not read the slides so they just belive this...

                dont like that methods...

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                • #9
                  Really wish some developers would rally around Qt 5 and make an alternative to KDE. I'm tired of Gnome 3 and I dislike all the other GTK attempts to go back in time like Mate.
                  Despite the rocky start I think KDE and Unity are the best bets moving forward. However, now that Qt is LGPL(has been for a long time) and has an open governance model, I really would like to see a desktop environment take it seriously other than KDE.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 0xCAFE View Post
                    I do not see the word "phone" anywhere except on the market share slide. You're fantasizing.
                    I admit i havent read the slides, as I am using my smartphone, but I did read this in the article

                    As a plan, they want more GNOME 3, more focus on mobile, and GNOME as an operating system / Linux distribution.
                    The "more focus on mobile" was what I was referring to

                    Though if it's not in the slides, then I guess I'm mistaken... but gnome 3 really does feel like theyre trying too much to focus on getting a smartphone-style experience on the desktop (which doesnt work)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dalingrin View Post
                      Really wish some developers would rally around Qt 5 and make an alternative to KDE. I'm tired of Gnome 3 and I dislike all the other GTK attempts to go back in time like Mate.
                      Despite the rocky start I think KDE and Unity are the best bets moving forward. However, now that Qt is LGPL(has been for a long time) and has an open governance model, I really would like to see a desktop environment take it seriously other than KDE.

                      I really agree with you!

                      Theres http://razor-qt.org/ but its developement sems to go slowly...
                      And its a pre-Qt5 and pre-Qml.

                      QML for desktop widgets and other stuff would be nice, and not that hard to implement (KDE4 has to made the whole Plasma desktop think for the widgets).

                      I hope Razor-Qt would pick-up Qt5 new features and make it a good desktop.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dalingrin View Post
                        Really wish some developers would rally around Qt 5 and make an alternative to KDE. I'm tired of Gnome 3 and I dislike all the other GTK attempts to go back in time like Mate.
                        Despite the rocky start I think KDE and Unity are the best bets moving forward. However, now that Qt is LGPL(has been for a long time) and has an open governance model, I really would like to see a desktop environment take it seriously other than KDE.
                        Well, there's Razor-qt...

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                        • #13
                          The "bad things" for GNOME they pointed out was their focus on the traditional desktop [...]

                          Seems that some people never learn for their past mistakes...

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                          • #14
                            Why does everyone always want to create their own OS? GnomeOS, FirefoxOS, ChromeOS, etc. One of the chief complaints from most projects is lack of developers, but somehow a desktop specific OS will somehow make things better? Doesn't that require more developers and fragment existing developers? What does a custom OS buy you other than more stuff to support directly and less chance to share the load?

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                            • #15
                              Gnome developers have delusions of grandeur, big time.

                              I suspect GnomeOS will fall flat on it's face. I also suspect it will just be Fedora Re-branded with some modest changes. If i am correct on the latter, it is unlikely they will pull (and sustain) much of an audience/user-base from other well-established linux distributions, such as Ubuntu/debian, Archlinux, gentoo, etc. I think there are a lot of linux users whom have picked their distro based on the specific tools that they provide (package management as one example). What real advantages is GnomeOS going to provide _over_ the current linux distributions these users are already happy with? My feeling is that they are going to have to provide some VERY VERY compelling features to gain any traction, at all.

                              Gnome on mobile isn't too likely to be widely adopted, either. it's essentially the same story; what compelling features are they going to be able to provide over iOS or Android? (if they can even 'match' those platforms, which i think is unlikely)... One could argue that it is an open platform and a 'real' linux distribution unlike android, but at the end of the day - does the average consumer even care about that? (probably not, although most people in this forum would). At the point where we have mobile devices that can run XYZ linux distro (with proper support), people will just want to run whatever distro they like on their tablet. Hell, they might even use Gnome with GS or with another shell (or not at all).

                              I do however really like that they are planning an SDK, that seems like a good idea if you actually want people to target your platform.

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