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  • #16
    Originally posted by sirdilznik View Post
    It's still ahead of the Duke Nukem Forever schedule. What's next, a stable release of GNU HURD?
    Perl 6.
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    • #17
      E17 vs Unity; Bodhi; Pulseaudio

      First, congrats to the Enlightenment developers. I've been following this project for awhile, and consider it one of the most promising innovations happening in the Linux world.

      I really don't understand why Ubuntu went off the rails with Unity, which I've tried (including the latest release) and found to be annoying at best, when they could have gone with Enlightenment. When I think of all those developer hours spent trying to make Unity usable (with mixed success so far) I want to cry - if they'd contributed all that effort into helping Enlightenment rather than reinventing the wheel, E17 would have been released by now.

      Anyway, thumbs-up to the Bodhi folks. They've got the most nicely tweaked E17 desktop I've seen. I've tried the E17 package in Ubuntu, and though it's OK, Bodhi is definitely better.

      The only real problem I had with Bodhi was getting the microphone to work. I was told that Pulseaudio is not natively supported in Enlightenment, but that was going to be included in the final release. I'm wondering if that's so? I've love to see it - unlike a lot of people, I actually do like Pulseaudio.

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      • #18
        E17 is just an euphemism for Enlightenment 0.17. How about releasing Enlightenment 1.0 at some point?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Adarion View Post
          I really do hope for a good and soon release. The world is already in need for a small and performant window manager. I can run KDE still on older systems but E17 would probably be a real blast there. Also I want it on my AMD Geode 500 MHz. I could even think about using something like it as a main desktop on my quad core. Just because it get the job done, reacts really turbo fast and everything. It helps me working but doesn't keep me from it. Mhm, I really need something that combines the functionality and configurability of KDE with the speed of E17 and the resource usage of twm (I actually use it, really! Sometimes. And it hurts.).
          e17 is already highly configurable (some people don't like this, btw, as it's sometimes difficult to find where to modify what they want). Feel free to open tickets if you want more features

          about cpu and memory usage, it depends a lot on the theme. Animations means a lot of images to be loaded in mem and is cpu hungry. Fortunately, we have a cache server that will automatically reuse an image if it has already been loaded, hence less mem consumption.

          I know that raster has tested e17 with slow computers (iirc, a 486) and it was usable.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
            E17 is just an euphemism for Enlightenment 0.17. How about releasing Enlightenment 1.0 at some point?
            when raster is satisfied with the windows manager. Actually, he likes a lot e17. e18 will be e17 with some improvements, so it will not be written from scratch. Then e18 will be close to e 1.0

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            • #21
              Originally posted by vtorri View Post
              e17 is already highly configurable (some people don't like this, btw, as it's sometimes difficult to find where to modify what they want). Feel free to open tickets if you want more features
              If its difficult for someone to find what they want its usually because its grouped in a wrong way.

              BTW is it possible to configure it to have a menu similar to Mac Os X Launchpad or have the menu bar "hidden" like here

              I need to set up e17 in a VM and test it a bit since its been a while since the last time i played with it.

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              • #22
                After all 0.17 is just a number. I have seen programs with version numbers like NT 6 and they were a pile of crap.
                Or things with version numbers around 200 and they are still not perfect.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                  If its difficult for someone to find what they want its usually because its grouped in a wrong way.

                  BTW is it possible to configure it to have a menu similar to Mac Os X Launchpad or have the menu bar "hidden" like here

                  I need to set up e17 in a VM and test it a bit since its been a while since the last time i played with it.
                  Try Everything, it might be what you're after.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                    E17 is just an euphemism for Enlightenment 0.17. How about releasing Enlightenment 1.0 at some point?
                    Enlightenment 1.0 == I no longer work on E after that. I'm done. E has everything I ever wanted it to have and i have nothing left to put in. Do you want that?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                      If its difficult for someone to find what they want its usually because its grouped in a wrong way.

                      BTW is it possible to configure it to have a menu similar to Mac Os X Launchpad or have the menu bar "hidden" like here

                      I need to set up e17 in a VM and test it a bit since its been a while since the last time i played with it.
                      no - no mac-style menu bar support in e17. no plans. we have enough work to do in just fixing the bug list and polishing the features we already have to release level, not adding new ones.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                        Perl 6.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by raster View Post
                          no - no mac-style menu bar support in e17. no plans. we have enough work to do in just fixing the bug list and polishing the features we already have to release level, not adding new ones.
                          I didn't mean global like ubuntu or mac os. The mac os thing i mentioned had to do with the launcher. ie customize a behavior that when you click the e icon for example to present you with all the available apps. The menu i had in mind would look something like the drawing below. You click it and presents you with the menu. Similar to firefox without menu bar.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                            I didn't mean global like ubuntu or mac os. The mac os thing i mentioned had to do with the launcher. ie customize a behavior that when you click the e icon for example to present you with all the available apps. The menu i had in mind would look something like the drawing below. You click it and presents you with the menu. Similar to firefox without menu bar.


                            that's still the same kind of thing as a global menu - it's exposing an app controlled set of ui data (a menu tree structure with icons, text, and possibly much more in it) to the wm to draw and handle. it'd need toolkit integration to do (the same kind of work done for the global menu integration). as such that work is being done via dbus and that's the totally wrong way to do it if your display system is x11, so i'm not going to go down that path as it's just wrong. so if we don't go there, with no toolkit exposing abilities to do this, there is no data to display such a menu...

                            admittedly we can do it in our own toolkit (EFL). but gtk/qt won't get anything out of it without work.

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                            • #29
                              Thanks for the answers raster. I think it would be a nice feature to have -UX wise- since we are moving away from X11 but anyway. I am not a dev.

                              As for the launcher?? Does it also require a lot of coding? (something similar to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchpad_%28Mac_OS_X%29)

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                                Thanks for the answers raster. I think it would be a nice feature to have -UX wise- since we are moving away from X11 but anyway. I am not a dev.

                                As for the launcher?? Does it also require a lot of coding? (something similar to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchpad_%28Mac_OS_X%29)
                                i dont see what this feature has to do with x11 other than in HOW it is technically implemented? anyway as for launcher - can be done. no plans on doing it for e17. we already have all we need. we have enough work to do.

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