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  • #31
    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
    I love Microsoft. The more Microsoft there is in Linux, the better.

    I want to thank Gnome for putting some Microsoft awesomeness in Linux. You guys ROCK! Everybody should use Gnome, because the more people use it, the more Microsoft will be part of Linux. There are good times ahead for all Linux users!
    You know there's Microsoft code in the kernel, right?

    modinfo hv_netvsc

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    • #32
      Partnering with MS? Phew, that's stupid.

      Usually those who partners with MS are either ending up on graveyard of technologies and/or by being bankrupts. Unfortunately gnome guys fallen into that trap.

      The result? You see, most distros are either ditched gnome 3 at all or seriously patching it. And Mono is just a one big piece of FAIL. You see, in this so called "crossplatform" toolkit you can't even write GUI program to use it on all systems without major headache.

      There are at least 3 graphic toolkits. WinForms? Half-borked in Mono. And MS's patent promise does not covers that. Then MS abandoned it in favor of WPF. Which is even more crapwrecked in mono. Now what? GTK#? It does not works in windows .NET and bringing your very own mono when there is already .NET exists is quite lame and strange to say the least.

      Though it's MS, so they are doung things just as usually: everything who is not windows should be a third-rate crap. Good luck to mono guys in being MS footpads. That's why Linux distros would ditch Gnome and mono here and there.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RealNC View Post
        I love Microsoft. The more Microsoft there is in Linux, the better.
        Wrong. Go use windows. There is no need for another one. And MS's definition of "good" just happens to mismatch with my definition of good. So what's good for MS is bad for me. Honestly, I don't need MZ EXEs in my system. And what are those "This program can't be run in dos mode" stubs? I'm afraid my 64-bit machine lacks 64-bit DOS for some reason

        And they already shown their face with their "secure" boot UEFI initiatives. Yes, I love you too, Microsoft. F...k you. What a bunch of wretched bastards who come with a "good" purpose to make us obey them. Everyone loves enslavers. When they're dead of course.
        Last edited by 0xBADCODE; 07-04-2012, 06:43 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
          GTK#? It does not works in windows .NET
          GTK# for Microsoft.NET download

          One simply provable falsehood in 0xBADCODE's ranting. How accurate is the rest?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
            And what are those "This program can't be run in dos mode" stubs?
            ECMA 335 section 24.2

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            • #36
              Originally posted by finalzone View Post
              Troll harder.
              How am I trolling? I feel my first sentence is pretty spot on. These insults and comments come from 1995. It has been stated time and time again by other users that microsoft is a contributor to the kernel and nobody seems to have a comeback for that besides, "MS BAD, PATENTS BAD, RMS GOOD" They also seem to complement Apple who I think is a far worse company than it used to be with its lawsuits.

              I use linux, I love my linux desktop, but liking linux desktop doesn't mean you have to hate Microsoft. Hating X doesn't mean Y is better. Hating Windows doesn't magically make flaws go away.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by directhex View Post
                I don't even know where to begin with replying to this thread. A mix of bullshit, reheated stuff from the 90's, bullshit, reheated stuff from the early 00's, bullshit, bullshit, bad jokes a preteen would be embarrassed by, bullshit, verbatim quotes from Boycott Novell, and bullshit.

                And none of it has anything to do with the hackfest which was originally being referred to.

                As per usual, I'm forced to quote Thomas Jefferson, and suggest that a lot of people replying to this are a bit thick:
                People are sheep.

                Michael posts one of these troll articles a week, designed to start up flamewars in the comment sections.

                And despite how obvious it all is, they take the bait. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

                Sheep.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by directhex View Post
                  You know there's Microsoft code in the kernel, right?

                  modinfo hv_netvsc
                  You are talkin about HyperV driver that is written by Microsoft so they can use Linux with their own HyperV?

                  So, this is the driver by Microsoft & for Microsoft?

                  Should I care?

                  Code:
                  modinfo hv_netvsc
                  ERROR: modinfo: could not find module hv_netvsc
                  Oopsie, it seems I disabled it... for good. I don't run HyperV here, you see.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by 0xBADCODE View Post
                    Wrong. Go use windows. There is no need for another one. And MS's definition of "good" just happens to mismatch with my definition of good. So what's good for MS is bad for me. Honestly, I don't need MZ EXEs in my system. And what are those "This program can't be run in dos mode" stubs? I'm afraid my 64-bit machine lacks 64-bit DOS for some reason

                    And they already shown their face with their "secure" boot UEFI initiatives. Yes, I love you too, Microsoft. F...k you. What a bunch of wretched bastards who come with a "good" purpose to make us obey them. Everyone loves enslavers. When they're dead of course.
                    I think his post was pure sarcasm...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
                      You are talkin about HyperV driver that is written by Microsoft so they can use Linux with their own HyperV?

                      So, this is the driver by Microsoft & for Microsoft?

                      Should I care?
                      You should. It demonstrates the very purpose of Free Software - selfish work, released under a license which benefits everyone. Microsoft wrote drivers for the kernel which benefited them - and that's fine. Realtek write drivers for Realtek hardware, Adaptec write drivers for Adaptec hardware, and so on.

                      The point is, Microsoft played by the rules. They're playing in our sandbox.

                      And if you freak out like a little child at the thought of Microsoft having any involvement, no matter how tangential, with Free code under a Free license, then, well, start freaking out over the kernel too.

                      GNOME is a reasonable example - freaking out because there's one app on the recommended list built with Mono? Grow up - or dump the kernel. Decrying all of GNOME, but not decrying the kernel, is childish hypocrisy of the highest order.

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                      • #41
                        We had a really great time at the GNOME & Mono Festival of Love 2012

                        Just to be clear though, Microsoft had no influence what so ever on what we did nor what license we released things under. They did however kindly lend us a really nice room with smoking fast wifi and free soda, coffee e.g.. All without asking any questions or making any demands (aside a request for a polite thank you which frankly is the least any well raised human being would do in this situation).

                        Regardless we got a lot of really awesome work done, all of which you will see as it hits applications such as Banshee, Tasque, Tomboy and friends. We are on track to deliver more great stuff on more platforms, including GNOME3 and we had a fantastic time in the progress. We even had a little bit of fun in between sessions of hacking, such as taking silly pictures like me "worshipping" the Microsoft sign.

                        I post a report to the Foundation and our other sponsors here for those interested:
                        https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foun.../msg00002.html

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by directhex View Post
                          The point is, Microsoft played by the rules. They're playing in our sandbox.
                          Microsoft had no intention of contributing the hyper-v drivers to Linux as they wanted to just provide the functionality through it's cloud service, however they made the mistake of distributing a network driver statically linked to GPL licenced code in their hyper-v and thus in violation of the licence. After realizing they had to open source this driver code Microsoft put on the big theatrics of doing this in some community spirit.

                          http://linux-network-plumber.blogspo...microsoft.html

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-V#Linux_support

                          It's the same old Microsoft.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
                            Microsoft had no intention of contributing the hyper-v drivers to Linux as they wanted to just provide the functionality through it's cloud service, however they made the mistake of distributing a network driver statically linked to GPL licenced code in their hyper-v and thus in violation of the licence. After realizing they had to open source this driver code Microsoft put on the big theatrics of doing this in some community spirit.

                            http://linux-network-plumber.blogspo...microsoft.html

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-V#Linux_support

                            It's the same old Microsoft.
                            Shipping .o files with header glue. Never seen that before. Except with NVIDIA or ATI or Highpoint. Of course, nobody shits their pants over those because they aren't OMGMICROSOFT.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by directhex View Post
                              Shipping .o files with header glue.
                              How about you look up the term static linking?

                              Originally posted by directhex View Post
                              Except with NVIDIA or ATI or Highpoint.
                              If they shipped proprietary drivers statically linked to GPL code they would be in licence violation. What is your point?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
                                How about you look up the term static linking?


                                If they shipped proprietary drivers statically linked to GPL code they would be in licence violation. What is your point?
                                The linux-network-plumber analysis was wrong. I did the checking myself.

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