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    Phoronix: KDE No Longer Competitive? Developer Calls It Quits

    Peter Penz, the main developer of the Dolphin file manager for the KDE desktop and a K Desktop user since KDE v1.2, is calling it quits after contributing to KDE for more than the past half-decade. His reason for leaving the development of the popular open-source desktop environment is interesting...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEyNzI

  • #2
    In other words, the DE's are dumbing down to the level of iCrap, and are therefore no longer usable. He is rejecting this motion and refusing to participate in the dumbification.
    I say "GOOD FOR YOU!!!!" (honestly).

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    • #3
      He being such an experienced developer and long-time contributor to KDE and experiencing what he feels/believes are productivity issues, I guess he would be in a good position to fix these productivity issues.

      Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
      In other words, the DE's are dumbing down to the level of iCrap, and are therefore no longer usable. He is rejecting this motion and refusing to participate in the dumbification.
      I say "GOOD FOR YOU!!!!" (honestly).
      Or maybe he was saying that other desktop environments (such as GNOME, Windows, OS X) are more productive than KDE?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
        In other words, the DE's are dumbing down to the level of iCrap, and are therefore no longer usable.
        Clearly, you didn't read Peter's blog post.

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        • #5
          Dolphin is the worst part of my KDE Desktop(I don't have installed all basic apps and some app I use like Chrome are not K'ed but mostly Ksofts). It crashed and crashed for no good reason since forever. I pray new main maintainer would make it better.

          Anyway I read, heard lots of things about people bitching about KDE. As long as I feel my productivity and fun are best served by KDE, I am with it.

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          • #6
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            Wow, that's kind of sad. I wish it was 1-st April now...
            Peter Penz was one of my favorite developers, if not the favorite, seriously. Fast response, good with the community, fixing bugs and adding features.
            Once I reported a bug and after 40 minutes he already pushed the fix for the next release of KDE.

            I find KDE best suited for my needs...
            The way he talks can be said about every Linux DE and every Linux specific application.
            Last edited by Alliancemd; 06-26-2012, 11:43 AM.

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            • #7
              It's bad news, that the main developers leaves his program when, after last changes, it's still in beta phase :/ . He also leaves users without any bug fixes… Some people have also gave their free time, to make KDE a better DE. Now he leaves them in half way. Why hi didn't get other people some time to start continuing his work, and when it's stable situation, then leave KDE? I think that's not OK.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Druedain View Post
                It's bad news, that the main developers leaves his program when, after last changes, it's still in beta phase :/ . He also leaves users without any bug fixes… Some people have also gave their free time, to make KDE a better DE. Now he leaves them in half way. Why hi didn't get other people some time to start continuing his work, and when it's stable situation, then leave KDE? I think that's not OK.
                Well good.

                I hope that everybody else will appreciate it better when you take over the reigns and take Dolphin to the next level over the next decade.

                You have a lot of hard work ahead of you!!!

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                • #9
                  Dolphin was very good product. Recently there come Dolphin 2 which is now integrated with KDE 4.8 instead of previous release, but it's not as stable, so maybe you tell me why in such short period of time developer puts new version, what needed much work, and shortly tells that he leaves in it's beta state (I know it's now signed as a stable, bot there are still many issues).

                  I'm not KDE developer, so I won't continue that work. I'm trying my best where I have something to say. So, please stop that sarcastic comments.
                  Last edited by Druedain; 06-26-2012, 12:00 PM.

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                  • #10
                    I've also posted this on the site, but I really do feel the same thing.

                    Although I haven't found a replacement, I feel less and less love for KDE and all its microbugs/quirks/general unpolishedness. Honestly, I still use KDE for work and home, but I'm finding it harder and harder to honestly recommend it as a credible option to other systems.

                    And yes I've filed bugs, and yes I've even wrote small and simple patches that were ignored because "well, we're planning a rewrite of that anyway... sometime... so let's leave the multi-year bug there, it's not visible on my machine anyway".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Druedain View Post
                      He also leaves users without any bug fixes… [...] Why hi didn't get other people some time to start continuing his work, and when it's stable situation, then leave KDE? I think that's not OK.
                      Seriously, first paragraph:
                      [...] I'll be forwarding the maintainership to Frank Reininghaus. Frank did a great job during the last years to improve Dolphin and I'm really glad that he accepted the maintainership.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by [Knuckles] View Post
                        I've also posted this on the site, but I really do feel the same thing.

                        Although I haven't found a replacement, I feel less and less love for KDE and all its microbugs/quirks/general unpolishedness. Honestly, I still use KDE for work and home, but I'm finding it harder and harder to honestly recommend it as a credible option to other systems.

                        And yes I've filed bugs, and yes I've even wrote small and simple patches that were ignored because "well, we're planning a rewrite of that anyway... sometime... so let's leave the multi-year bug there, it's not visible on my machine anyway".
                        +1

                        The KDE devs, at least those who comment on the bugtracker, seem to not give a shit about KDE anymore.

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                        • #13
                          He goes on to explain how the user interfaces are becoming simpler while the functionality of the applications are increasing without an effective UI, increasing complexity of non-UI elements of applications, etc. "Working on the non-user-interface parts of applications can be challenging and this is not something that most freetime-contributors are striving for. But if there are not enough contributors for the complex stuff behind the scenes and if no company is willing to invest fulltime-developers to work on this... - well then we are losing ground. And even if Gnome seems to get more support from companies, I don't see a big difference to KDE here.
                          This makes me think of the differences between facebook and google. At Facebook, one had checked in code his first day there, and it was pushed to the live site on the next day. At google, employees make incremental changes to existing complex systems to improve stability, performance, or add minor features.Consequently,google has made some wonderful products (e.g.,chrome browser,android,map,etc.) but the developers in background is somewhat neglected,facebook has less sucessful products but get deverlopers' preference. Similarly, freetime-contributors unconsciously prefer to implement new features rather than fix old bugs. Because people like to hear compliments, longing to be recognized,feel appreciated person especially for those contributors without being paid and working on the user-interface parts of applications will help them to achieve those more easily.Therefore,working on the non-user-interface parts of applications is not something that most freetime-contributors are striving for though it is so important.

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                          • #14
                            I hope he (Peter Penz) realises there are people that use KDE and appreciate it. I for one. I wont be changing to another desktop environment any time soon.

                            I can understand where he's coming from and the problem lay in lack of management.

                            Open source software needs Figures that pull project in different directions. Mark Shuttleworth is a prime example of this. He has swayed Debian and Gnome, images to his design and form, and made a success of it. Someone simply needs to do that with KDE, or even an OS with custom version of KDE. Peter Penz maybe you can step up to a new KDE mirror project? Become a star of the Linux stage.

                            Regarding new UI, well the direction is touch screen and projection interaction, interfaces. How applications talk between each other and interoperate metadata and general data, is another innovative area. I thought KDE was moving in these fields? Can Peter be more specific with what's lacking?

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                            • #15
                              Canonical should hire Martin Gräßlin and let him work on Compiz. Compiz is already getting a lot better now thanks to the work of Daniel Van Vugt and others.

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