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    Phoronix: Microsoft Hosts: GNOME & Mono Festival of Love

    Coming up in a few weeks will be the "GNOME and Mono Festival of Love", a hack-fest being held at Microsoft's New England Research and Development Center...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTExMzM

  • #2
    Microsoft is just a criminal:

    "Espionage tool Flame was signed with valid Microsoft certificates "
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...t-certificates
    "Microsoft's FUD LinuxTag Video:the wrong questions to get the answers microsoft want: "
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...microsoft-want
    "Microsoft fled from Germany because the German law and order ruin microsoft."
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...ruin-microsoft
    "Breaking news: King Linus Torvalds makes Microsoft Fat32 patent invalid (Prior art) "
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...28Prior-art%29
    "Microsoft censorship pirate-bay with windows messager "
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...ndows-messager
    "Microsoft thinks uninstalling Internet explorer and installing other browsers is Sick "
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...owsers-is-Sick
    "Windows 8 push "Kill Switches_for_the_First_Time "
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...the_First_Time
    "Microsoft, Intel, and Google team up to handcuff HTML 5 media with "DRM" "
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...-quot-DRM-quot
    Microsoft+Lenovo lose a battle on court again linux users they now get money back!
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...et-money-back!
    "Windows crappy security caused schoolboy suicide "
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...oolboy-suicide
    and the newest shit Microsoft Visual Studio ends the open-source support for "desktop-style applications"
    http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...315#post266315

    i just stop here because i can go one a unlimited time and then the forum thread explodes
    Last edited by Qaridarium; 06-04-2012, 11:43 PM.

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    • #3
      and suddenly... Windows 8 is explained.

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      • #4
        "Spy trojan Flame was installed as a official windows update over the network "

        http://phoronix.com/forums/showthrea...er-the-network

        LOL this is really hardcore these "CIA/NSA" criminals used the windows update mechanism to install there Trojan signet with an official Microsoft MASTER-KEY

        LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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        • #5
          Yuk!

          Nothing like Microsoft trying to hi-jack a computing festival. I can't help but think that they are supporting this because they know they can win in a lawsuit if anyone tried to use Mono in a commercial product.

          It's like an abusive stepfather that's trying to buy your love.

          yuk!

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          • #6
            Microsoft, GNOME and Mono in the same spot?

            Sounds like a reunion of supervillains. Are the Joker, Lex Luthor and Doctor Octpus invited to the party? :-)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by peppepz View Post
              Sounds like a reunion of supervillains. Are the Joker, Lex Luthor and Doctor Octpus invited to the party? :-)
              I just don't see how GNOME fits in here? Or is it superman in disguise seeing what they are up to?

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              • #8
                I can't help thinking: "Embrace, extend, and extinguish".

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                • #9
                  You can call Microsoft evil all you want (I don't like them either to be honest), that doesn't change two simple facts:

                  1. Visual Studio is the most enhanced IDE as of today. There is nothing better. (GUI design, MSDN, ctrl + space for preview of (all) possible variables/functions/classes/namespaces [I've yet to see at least one IDE aside from VS and NetBeans that is able to do that])

                  2. C# is multi-platform, easy to use and still manages to give you a nice performance boost (compared to other languages like Java (slow, big thing) or C++ (too complex for GUI applications and if you don't know exactly what you are doing you get tons of memory leaks)). Also the documentation is pretty good.

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                  • #10
                    I hope they reach their goal to port Banshee to Gtk# 3.
                    Nice to hear they will improve Banshee, Pint, F-Spot, etc.

                    But honestly, why are Microsoft doing this?
                    Why do they care about C# / .NET on Linux?

                    I think Microsoft should support open protocols, formats, specifications and standards and push for interoperability.
                    But why spend time on improve the software of the competition? It does not make any sense.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Detructor View Post
                      You can call Microsoft evil all you want (I don't like them either to be honest), that doesn't change two simple facts:

                      1. Visual Studio is the most enhanced IDE as of today. There is nothing better. (GUI design, MSDN, ctrl + space for preview of (all) possible variables/functions/classes/namespaces [I've yet to see at least one IDE aside from VS and NetBeans that is able to do that])
                      KDevelop does the control + space thing, I like it's editor better than Visual Studio's, but it is definitely outclassed in the debugger department. Gui design is handled by QtDesigner but this is currently not integrated. Visual studio is a great IDE but I still think a lot of coders overrate it;

                      2. C# is multi-platform, easy to use and still manages to give you a nice performance boost (compared to other languages like Java (slow, big thing) or C++ (too complex for GUI applications and if you don't know exactly what you are doing you get tons of memory leaks)). Also the documentation is pretty good.
                      C# does suck less than java. As a user my preference goes something like this Native Compiled -> hybrid python / C -> C# + mono -> java. A platform like Qt gives you a lot of the productivity advances that C# + mono or .Net does plus you get native binaries. All in all C# is not a bad option so I don't want to hate on it - maybe one of these days somebody will release a mono app that I actually like.

                      Anyways Microsoft is too big to truly me a monolithic entity and if the C# .Net/mono folks there want to promote their tools on Gnome then so be it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                        But honestly, why are Microsoft doing this?
                        Why do they care about C# / .NET on Linux?
                        They don't, per se.

                        They care about being seen amongst developer communities to be good guys, though.

                        The NERD centre is a great conference venue, and is constantly running various events and things. Venues for things like this are *not* cheap, and Microsoft are playing good guys by giving a site with power and WiFi for free.

                        They don't care about Mono on GNOME at all - they're just being non-discriminatory about which FOSS developers are allowed to use their site.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by uid313 View Post
                          I hope they reach their goal to port Banshee to Gtk# 3.
                          Nice to hear they will improve Banshee, Pint, F-Spot, etc.

                          But honestly, why are Microsoft doing this?
                          Why do they care about C# / .NET on Linux?

                          I think Microsoft should support open protocols, formats, specifications and standards and push for interoperability.
                          But why spend time on improve the software of the competition? It does not make any sense.
                          Speaking as one of the crazies going to the hackfest, I think the answer is that Microsoft quite pragmatically see Mono as a useful companion to their own .Net. For one thing, the easy cross-platform compatibility means that Banshee, Pinta and Tomboy in fact work on Windows as well. So in effect they are also sponsoring application development for users of their own platform, even though us open source guys doing the work all run Linux. (I for one will not run Windows on my personal laptop simply because I see no point in it when I can get something better for free.)

                          The second reason why Microsoft has no problem with Mono is that it can only increase the pool of developers with C# skills, as well as increase the amount of environments existing C# programmers can apply their skills to. Microsoft themselves have used Monodroid to create iOS applications because they after all have a lot more C# programmers inhouse than they have Objective-C programmers. In the meantime, I get to work on fun programs on my favourite platform in my spare time, while still honing skills that my new employer appreciates. (Like a lot of other people, I will be working in a Windows-dominated workplace.)

                          As for the age old concern that Microsoft has some sinister plan to sue everybody using it, I simply don't believe it. To begin with, they long ago made a promise not sue like Oracle just did over Java, and they committed C# to the ECMA, which was never done with Java. Beyond that, even if they were two-timing doublecrossing bastards, the Oracle v. Google lawsuit has just set a precedent quite explicitly stating that they would lose if they tried it. On top of that, they have used Mono for their own products, and as we now see, even sponsored a hackfest.

                          So yes, Microsoft is a big multinational company whose main goal is to make more money. But being friendly with Mono can only help them.

                          Before I ventured into the whole "making open source programs with the language everyone loves to hate" gig, I was aware of the concerns around it. So I checked it out, looked at what Mono proponents had to say and what detractors had to say. When it comes down to it, Mono proponents really just had better, more reasonable arguments for why there is no danger. I'm not saying that everyone should use C# for everything, but I find it to be a very comfortable language to use for a lot of things. When everything else is equal (and it really is), it is a matter of personal tastes regarding what language you like to work with.

                          Edit: And also what directhex said.

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                          • #14
                            Microsoft is a large company and If understand correctly it is broken in many different departments which are competitive with each other. My guess is that the division that handles .Net has decided that spreading adoption of .Net (mono) is a good thing for .Net and it doesn't really have anything to do with Microsoft's planning outside of that.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Detructor View Post
                              1. Visual Studio is the most enhanced IDE as of today. There is nothing better. (GUI design, MSDN, ctrl + space for preview of (all) possible variables/functions/classes/namespaces [I've yet to see at least one IDE aside from VS and NetBeans that is able to do that])
                              Then you haven't tried other IDEs. As you've said yourself, Netbeans does that and is better than Visual Studio. Also try QT Creator.

                              2. C# is multi-platform, easy to use and still manages to give you a nice performance boost (compared to other languages like Java (slow, big thing) or C++ (too complex for GUI applications and if you don't know exactly what you are doing you get tons of memory leaks)). Also the documentation is pretty good.
                              Pure bullshit. Java is much faster than Mono. Not a bit faster, but A LOT faster. In fact, it's the third fastest language after C and FORTRAN. And unlike C#, it's really cross platform.
                              http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u3...re-fastest.php

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