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  • KDE 4.9 Goes Into Beta

    Phoronix: KDE 4.9 Goes Into Beta

    The first beta release of KDE SC 4.9 is now available...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTExMzI

  • #2
    My fixes in this one:
    • Blur behind System Settings tooltips
    • Blur behind Dolphin tooltips

    It's subtle, but makes a noticeable difference in consistency. The tooltips from the panels already had those blur behind things.
    As for the mixed tooltip style. Currently there is a different style between the panel tooltips, system settings and dolphin. That's also about to change though that might not make it in a KDE 4.x release, depending on the changes required. It might as well be fixed in KDE 4.10 i'd give it a 50/50 chance. I'm currently recreating the tooltip internals to make it suitable for more then just the panel. This means that all tooltips will get the same visual style (like the current panel tooltips).

    Just what i'm currently doing in KDE

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    • #3
      Originally posted by markg85 View Post
      This means that all tooltips will get the same visual style (like the current panel tooltips). -- Just what i'm currently doing in KDE
      I remember thinking few days back that the tooltips look some how different and didn't realize it was the blur that had changed. I love it.
      Having the same tooltips everywhere is also a feature that I have been hoping to have just about as long as I have been using KDE so keep up the good work

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Teho View Post
        I remember thinking few days back that the tooltips look some how different and didn't realize it was the blur that had changed. I love it.
        Having the same tooltips everywhere is also a feature that I have been hoping to have just about as long as I have been using KDE so keep up the good work
        Well, the tooltip situation is a quite interesting one.
        At first there what just Plasma::ToolTipManager (and friends) but that was a bit to limited. The KDE panels use that one. In dolphin the code for the tooltips got "forked" to meet dolphin's needs. Dolphin uses the QStyle tooltip background while Plasma uses the Plasma background. System settings then forked Dolphin's tooltip code to adjust it for their needs.. That's how we end up with 3 different tooltip types in probably the most used KDE apps. That deserved some cleaning up and that's what i'm doing along with defining the tooltips in QML

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        • #5
          Originally posted by markg85 View Post
          That deserved some cleaning up and that's what i'm doing along with defining the tooltips in QML
          If they are written in QML could they also be themed and animated easily? It would be nice to have different kind of frames (round, angular, sharp, smooth...) and same kind o behaviour as seen in the Plasma panel in all other applications where when the tooltip is already shown it will follow the mouse and show the next tooltip instantly without delay which then again could be animated nicely and so on and so forth

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          • #6
            Originally posted by markg85 View Post
            My fixes in this one:
            • Blur behind System Settings tooltips
            • Blur behind Dolphin tooltips

            Hi!
            First of all, thanks for spending your time fixing bugs. One question, do you think there is any plan on fixing this one:
            https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469

            It's been around for a long time, and I can still see it in 4.8.3 (gentoo) and previous versions (Ubuntu).

            Thanks again!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jgardia View Post
              Hi!
              First of all, thanks for spending your time fixing bugs. One question, do you think there is any plan on fixing this one:
              https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469

              It's been around for a long time, and I can still see it in 4.8.3 (gentoo) and previous versions (Ubuntu).

              Thanks again!
              That is Qt bug. Not KDE bug. It is fixed in Qt 4.8.1 (type dolphin --version in konsole and you'll see what Qt version you have).

              Kubuntu 12.04 doesn't have this bug

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              • #8
                Originally posted by schnelle View Post
                That is Qt bug. Not KDE bug. It is fixed in Qt 4.8.1 (type dolphin --version in konsole and you'll see what Qt version you have).

                Kubuntu 12.04 doesn't have this bug
                Thanks for your reply, but unfortunately I can tell you that is not fixed in my notebook. I've got the following output from dolphin:

                #dolphin --version
                Qt: 4.8.2
                KDE Development Platform: 4.8.3 (4.8.3)
                Dolphin: 2.0

                No sure about Kubuntu, I'm a Gentoo user...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jgardia View Post
                  Thanks for your reply, but unfortunately I can tell you that is not fixed in my notebook. I've got the following output from dolphin:

                  #dolphin --version
                  Qt: 4.8.2
                  KDE Development Platform: 4.8.3 (4.8.3)
                  Dolphin: 2.0

                  No sure about Kubuntu, I'm a Gentoo user...
                  I was very active in that bug report. I even made videos how to reproduce the bug. Everyone in bug report have confirmed that bug is fixed (in Qt). You can try Kubuntu 12.04 liveCD and try to reproduce the bug. If you cannot reproduce it in Kubuntu then something is probably wrong with Gentoo packages.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Teho View Post
                    If they are written in QML could they also be themed and animated easily? It would be nice to have different kind of frames (round, angular, sharp, smooth...) and same kind o behaviour as seen in the Plasma panel in all other applications where when the tooltip is already shown it will follow the mouse and show the next tooltip instantly without delay which then again could be animated nicely and so on and so forth
                    The answer is both yes and no.

                    As for animations, yes, you can add those and i'm infact even adding some animations to make it look nicer.
                    As for theming in QML, yes to a certain degree. I'm using the Dialog component which is actually a Plasma Dialog class (internally) and you can't theme that through QML. However, here is where the beauty of Plasma comes in. You can make (or adjust) the plasma dialog theme to fit your needs for the dialog windows. Only downside is that it will work for _all_ plasma dialog windows, not just the tooltips.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jgardia View Post
                      Hi!
                      First of all, thanks for spending your time fixing bugs. One question, do you think there is any plan on fixing this one:
                      https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469

                      It's been around for a long time, and I can still see it in 4.8.3 (gentoo) and previous versions (Ubuntu).

                      Thanks again!
                      That issue is a very nasty one. It seems to be coming back, even with the latest KDE and Qt 4.8.1 while it should be fixed. Either way, the entire tasks part of KDE is to be rewritten in QML thus there is no real point in investing time to fix the current stuff.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by markg85 View Post
                        You can make (or adjust) the plasma dialog theme to fit your needs for the dialog windows.
                        Do I understand it right that the theming actually happens using svgz? This is one of those "small" things that I just can't wait to have =d

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Teho View Post
                          Do I understand it right that the theming actually happens using svgz? This is one of those "small" things that I just can't wait to have =d
                          Exactly!
                          And that "little" fact is the case ever since KDE 4 got it's first release so i think you've missed something
                          They are called "Plasma Themes" and there are quite a few of them: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xconte...c8db5a3cc9ec9b

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by markg85 View Post
                            And that "little" fact is the case ever since KDE 4 got it's first release so i think you've missed something
                            Yeah I'm well aware of Plasma themes I just wasn't exactly sure if the tooltips were themed the same way. There's still one thing I'm curious though. What kind of dependensies does this introduce to applications that use it? Will the tooltip part be split from Plasma to its own libary and what theme does it load if Plasma is not installed or will Dophin and System Settings simply depend on libplasma or something? I'm not sure how far the KF5 split will go but I would assume that many KDE apps can be installed without having Plasma in the system at all in the future.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Teho View Post
                              Yeah I'm well aware of Plasma themes I just wasn't exactly sure if the tooltips were themed the same way. There's still one thing I'm curious though. What kind of dependensies does this introduce to applications that use it? Will the tooltip part be split from Plasma to its own libary and what theme does it load if Plasma is not installed or will Dophin and System Settings simply depend on libplasma or something? I'm not sure how far the KF5 split will go but I would assume that many KDE apps can be installed without having Plasma in the system at all in the future.
                              Right now you can only theme the kde panel tooltips since those are done with plasma. The current tooltips from system settings and dolphin are done through the widget theme so have to be themed through that as well.

                              The intention with the tooltip cleanup that i'm doing is to put them in a library of it's own. "libtooltips" or something like it. This is about certain to be done for kde 5, but since the library is going to be completely independent it might very well be possible that kde 4.10 or 4.11 is going to use this. Along with dolphin and system settings. Once that happens we will FINALLY have a uniform tooltip possibility throughout kde applications.

                              Any more questions?

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