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  • KDE's Calligra KOffice Fork Sees Its First Release

    Phoronix: KDE's Calligra KOffice Fork Sees Its First Release

    Back in 2010 there was the fork of KDE's KOffice to form what would be called the Calligra Suite, following unresolved disputes among KOffice developers. After being in development for quite some time, the Calligra developers have today made their first release: Calligra 2.4...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTA4NjI

  • #2
    This is just an initial reaction, but perhaps the KDE community should consider making Calligra the standard.

    Koffice is horrible. I've had it crash on me simply typing up a report, without changing fonts, font sizes, nothing. Just open application and start typing.

    At first glance, Calligra seems better maintained. According to: http://www.koffice.org/kivio/ Kivio needs a maintainer.

    To all the flamers: I'm not saying that Kivio is better than or worse than Flow. What I am saying is what's easily observable. An unmaintained program(or package within a suite) doesn't have a future, and does threaten the suite as a whole.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
      This is just an initial reaction, but perhaps the KDE community should consider making Calligra the standard.
      I'm pretty sure it is. There were only a few (1?) KOffice developers who didn't move to the new Calligra project. It's more of a rebranding + opportunity to refocus rather than a true "fork".

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      • #4
        Zotero plugin

        This is awesome news. I would love to move from Libreoffice to calligra, only one thing makes it difficult and that is the lack of reference managers.

        In a collaborative environment using LaTex-based documents and the reference managers associated to that is unfortunately not an option since most people are using MS office and Endnote. LO + Zotero (stand-alone version) works pretty fine in such a mixed environment, but I would love to move over to Calligra.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
          This is just an initial reaction, but perhaps the KDE community should consider making Calligra the standard.

          Koffice is horrible. I've had it crash on me simply typing up a report, without changing fonts, font sizes, nothing. Just open application and start typing.

          At first glance, Calligra seems better maintained. According to: http://www.koffice.org/kivio/ Kivio needs a maintainer.

          To all the flamers: I'm not saying that Kivio is better than or worse than Flow. What I am saying is what's easily observable. An unmaintained program(or package within a suite) doesn't have a future, and does threaten the suite as a whole.
          I agree. We should propose that they merge their project. Fork is good, but merge is better for free software.I would love to see forks merge like Linux and Android just did. It is a win-win.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by smitty3268 View Post
            I'There were only a few (1?) KOffice developers who didn't move to the new Calligra project.
            KOffice has had only two contributors in the past year and neither of those are active... or so it seems. According to Ohloh Calligra has had 87 developers in the past twelve months for comparison. Not only that Calligra has completely rewritten text layout engine which obviously affects the Words the most which was the app that KOffice was going to work on. So I think we can say KOffice is completely deprecated even if it sometimes happens to have few commits.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
              This is just an initial reaction, but perhaps the KDE community should consider making Calligra the standard.
              The article isn't very well-worded, since it wasn't really a "fork". Officially it was a "split", but when the split has one or two developers on one side and everyone else on the other, I would say it would make the side with one or two developers the fork (that would be KOffice). So the closest thing we have to the "official" KOffice is actually Calligra, but the two developers insisted on keeping the KOffice name for themselves and the Calligra developers, although initially opposed (I think in a large part to avoid this sort of confusion) eventually relented.

              As for the KDE community making Calligra official, there isn't really any mechanism to make applications "official" that are not released with standard KDE SC releases (like amarok, kdenlive, k3b, calligra, etc), but in terms of developer support and user-base one application generally comes out ahead in the end and becomes the de-facto standard.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Teho View Post
                KOffice has had only two contributors in the past year and neither of those are active... or so it seems. According to Ohloh Calligra has had 87 developers in the past twelve months for comparison. Not only that Calligra has completely rewritten text layout engine which obviously affects the Words the most which was the app that KOffice was going to work on. So I think we can say KOffice is completely deprecated even if it sometimes happens to have few commits.
                imagine if all those 87 devs were putting an effort in trying to make Libre integrate better with KDE

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                • #9
                  Have to try it again

                  Great to hear about the new release. I'm getting increasingly annoyed by LibreOffice, it's just way to bloated and it has bad integration with the desktop. I tried KOffice about a year ago and I liked how fast and light it was. But it still had some problems loading ODF documents and KWord didn't support tables back then. But I liked KPlato project management tool a lot and this one I'm still using today. Anyways I definitely have to try Calligra and see how it works for me now and if all is OK I will definitely switch. I love the way that interface is layed out in Calligra a lot.

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                  • #10
                    Hope they will make it as feature complete as libreoffice, which also in my opinion is starting to seem quite heavy. Ive actually started to use gnumeric instead of calc because of that.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
                      This is just an initial reaction, but perhaps the KDE community should consider making Calligra the standard.
                      KDE doesn't work that way. Only distributions decide what their standards/defaults are.

                      Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                      The article isn't very well-worded, since it wasn't really a "fork". Officially it was a "split", but when the split has one or two developers on one side and everyone else on the other, I would say it would make the side with one or two developers the fork (that would be KOffice). So the closest thing we have to the "official" KOffice is actually Calligra, but the two developers insisted on keeping the KOffice name for themselves and the Calligra developers, although initially opposed (I think in a large part to avoid this sort of confusion) eventually relented.
                      Close. The names were part of a compromise. The Calligra team didn't want the KOffice name anyway but originally wanted to be allowed to be called the official KOffice successor (very early Calligra announcements called it that way) and therefore did not want the KWord maintainer (Thomas Zander, who was the other conflict party) to keep that name. Some KDE community work group was called to mediate in that conflict and the compromise was that Zander can keep the names KOffice and KWord and the Calligra team can keep the names Kexi, Krita and Karbon. The remaining applications must be renamed: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/calli...ne/001663.html
                      I think technically Zander broke the compromise by still claiming Kivio on http://koffice.org but since that's even more unmaintained than the rest of KOffice, in reality that does not matter.

                      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                      imagine if all those 87 devs were putting an effort in trying to make Libre integrate better with KDE
                      And what would that accomplish? LO is still very bad software, rotten to its roots with its code base that extends back to the 1980s.

                      Originally posted by crispy View Post
                      Hope they will make it as feature complete as libreoffice, which also in my opinion is starting to seem quite heavy. Ive actually started to use gnumeric instead of calc because of that.
                      Calligra and LO do not have exactly the same goals, so you won't ever see every LO feature replicated in Calligra (eg. there is no interest in working on export support for legacy file formats). OTOH there are features in Calligra you'll probably never see in LO: Painting, musical notation, project management,…

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                      • #12
                        N9

                        hopefully one of those mobile flavours will support the meego/harmattan Nokia N9 too....................?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
                          And what would that accomplish? LO is still very bad software, rotten to its roots with its code base that extends back to the 1980s.
                          all those people can rewrite big parts of it and make it modern i assume

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by halfmanhalfamazing View Post
                            This is just an initial reaction, but perhaps the KDE community should consider making Calligra the standard.

                            Koffice is horrible. I've had it crash on me simply typing up a report, without changing fonts, font sizes, nothing. Just open application and start typing.

                            At first glance, Calligra seems better maintained. According to: http://www.koffice.org/kivio/ Kivio needs a maintainer.

                            To all the flamers: I'm not saying that Kivio is better than or worse than Flow. What I am saying is what's easily observable. An unmaintained program(or package within a suite) doesn't have a future, and does threaten the suite as a whole.
                            Kvivo is no more. There was a split of the KOffice project, and virtuall all of the former KOffice developers ended up going with the Calligra Suite branch of the split rather than stay with the branch that kept the name KOffice.

                            For several of the applications, this meant that ALL of the developers of that application ended up with Calligra Suite, and none stayed with KOffice. So now, kvivio has no developers, they all work on Calligra Flow.

                            The same I think is true of Krita and several of the other applications as well.

                            Calligra Suite is the only one viable, going forward. I think you will find that all KDE desktop distributions will ship with Calligra Suite in the future, rather than KOffice.

                            This is not dissimilar to the situation with OpenOffice and LibreOffice. Just as of those two it is LibreOffice which now has the majority of the developers and all of the momentum, this is now the case with Calligra Suite and not KOffice.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                              all those people can rewrite big parts of it and make it modern i assume
                              Yes, they can. And it's much more complicated than to extend an easy maintainable code base like Calligra’s. LO is so immensely huge and messy, when Nokia was still on the MeeGo train, it chose to adopt Calligra for its Office Viewer app on the N9, even though at that time Calligra was still in alpha stage. LO is nowhere as feasible for that use case and on LO work quite a lot full-time employees whereas Calligra is a real community project.

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