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  • #16
    Originally posted by josian_220 View Post
    Epiphany has an AdBlocker dunno if it's nearly as good like the ones available for google chrome or firefox.
    Yes, but like the rest of the browser, it barely works and at least in Ubuntu doesn't update or seem to have any way of adding more filter sets or allow for custom filters.

    Just as with the rest of Gnome3, their time would be of far more use spent elsewhere where it would actually benefit the OSS community.

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    • #17
      This is one of those things Moms are suppose to teach: "If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything". Not because it is not nice, but it's also how you avoid looking like a idiot.


      On the general "Epiphany is a waste of effort."

      Gnome and GTK need a proper HTML renderer integrated into the toolkit. There are a hundred different things that need a the ability to properly view and interact with HTML content. Email applications, editors, RSS feed readers, instant messaging software. HTML content is everywhere. Even applications like your media player that pulls down quotes or information about artists need to have the ability to parse and display HTML content.

      This is what Epiphany uses and working on Epiphany is one of the major ways they can improve on it. Hacking on and improving the HTML engine and integration into GTK and Gnome applications is the difficult part.

      Incidently Midori also uses WebKitGTK+..


      The ability to setup 'favorite web apps' in Gnome 3 is completely awesome.

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      • #18
        Do many apps need a competent HTML renderer? Yes. Do we need yet another useless browser that almost always renders pages wrong? No.

        I you need a rendering engine just take it from Firefox/IceWeasel since the ones in Epiphany and Konqueror a waste of time since neither does the job well.

        OSS is supposed to be about rapid development of what works, not endless forking for "Me Tooisim" just because you happen to not like some douchebag on the internet. The biggest threat to OSS isn't Microsoft, Oracle or Apple, it's the OSS community constantly chasing it's tail and holding back it's own progress.

        So, you can tell your mom to piss off, if somebody needs to be offended to get the point across then so be it.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by drag View Post
          The ability to setup 'favorite web apps' in Gnome 3 is completely awesome.
          I completely agree

          While epiphany doesn't interest me as a day to day browser - i do happen to use it in this particular case. There are several web apps that i use and it's nice to have that simple integration.

          As a side note: I do actually like the mockup. I think it looks great.

          cheerz

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Kivada View Post
            I you need a rendering engine just take it from Firefox/IceWeasel since the ones in Epiphany and Konqueror a waste of time since neither does the job well.
            Yeah, absolutely. Who needs that stupid Webkit thing? Noone uses it anyway. </sarcasm>

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Kivada View Post
              So, you can tell your mom to piss off, if somebody needs to be offended to get the point across then so be it.
              It's fun because what drag said is particulary true with you. It's obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about. So why even say anything? I mean WebKit is used everywhere from Safari, Chrome, Androids browser, rekonq, konqueror (optional), Midori, Qt, GTK, other Gnome apps, Steam and hundreds to maybe even thousands of other programs. Not only that but Gnome used to use Gecko and switched to WebKit few years ago.
              Last edited by Teho; 12-06-2011, 04:09 PM.

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              • #22
                While Webkit is used everywhere it doesn't make for a particularly good browser, I've tried most of those browsers over the years and ll had weird rendering issues while Gecko and the hideousness that is Trident didn't.

                Use whats already proven to work and is already open source instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                  While Webkit is used everywhere it doesn't make for a particularly good browser
                  Webkit has excellent support for web standards and considering its extremly high usage on both mobile and desktop systems it's unlikely for web page not to work.

                  Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                  Use whats already proven to work and is already open source instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
                  ...what? Webkit is a fork of KHTML that was released in 1998 and has been completely open source since 2005. It has been the sole engine for Epiphany since 2009. It's also used by both Safari and Chrome which together have over 25% of desktop market share (surpasses Firefox) and by mobile browser that have about 70% of mobile browser market share. I don't see how anyone in a right mind could call not switching to Gecko as "trying to reinvent the wheel". Not to mention that it would require significant amount of work to port Epiphany to Gecko...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Teho View Post
                    Webkit has excellent support for web standards and considering its extremly high usage on both mobile and desktop systems it's unlikely for web page not to work.
                    Hence why many sites still had text render behind images or text outside of margins on sites that may or may not be following WC3 standard like my state government sites or half of the political sites I visit?nOr at least didn't last time I had to use a Webkit based browser.

                    Mobile browsers still suck because mobile browsing still sucks and no, I haven't nor will I ever use Chrome or any other Google made software that I can't deball first*. So no, I don't care that they have massive marketshare in mobile, I use Opera there.

                    *It's not that I don't like Google for their support of OSS, it's that I don't trust Google at all to not every scrap of information about us.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                      It's not that I don't like Google for their support of OSS, it's that I don't trust Google at all to not every scrap of information about us.
                      You understand that Chromium is open source and it doesn't send any information to anyone as long as you don't use Google as search engine which then again does the same on any browser? Well not that matters as it has nothing to do with Webkit.

                      Originally posted by Kivada View Post
                      Hence why many sites still had text render behind images or text outside of margins on sites that may or may not be following WC3 standard like my state government sites or half of the political sites I visit?nOr at least didn't last time I had to use a Webkit based browser.
                      Well most likely what you are saying isn't even true anymore (feel free to send an actual example of such site) but even if it were I guess it's still possible to write sites that work only on browsers that support non-standard crap - should browsers really support that? Anyway it isn't usual as most websites suport at least all the most popular browsers which both Chrome and Safari are part of. They could of course be problems related to WebkitGTK which isn't necessarily as advanced as other Webkit ports.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Teho View Post
                        You understand that Chromium is open source and it doesn't send any information to anyone as long as you don't use Google as search engine which then again does the same on any browser? Well not that matters as it has nothing to do with Webkit.
                        Wait, other browsers send your URLs you personally type in to google if you have it as a search engine? Name one.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by curaga View Post
                          Wait, other browsers send your URLs you personally type in to google if you have it as a search engine? Name one.
                          It can be disabled with single option or by changing the default search engine of Chrome/Chromium on settings page. If any other browser were to provide similar functionality to what Chrome's omnibar has (predicts what you are writing by comparing it to data that Google has) it would have to do the same. As it's a feature that can be disabled I don't see the problem here but it's definetly nice for those that like predictive searching.

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                          • #28
                            "It can be disabled" is no defense for "it's on by default".

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by curaga View Post
                              "It can be disabled" is no defense for "it's on by default".
                              Defence for what? I don't see how easily disableable feature can be argument against anything.

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                              • #30
                                A snooping feature is enabled by default. Saying it can be disabled does not make the feature, or having it enabled by default, ok.

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