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  • #16
    Whenever the shit hits the fan, this thing can be forked.

    It can be forked right now, but then you wouldn't get the Nokia's paid development for free. Hey that sound familiar, when looked upon from the other side.

    I bet all you negative posters scored a high emotional function score at the Rorschach test

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Teho View Post
      I never said that possible legal problems end in agreements made with licensee of Qt commercial.

      "As a last point I wanted to talk about one thing that is fixed for the project and not going to go away. To contribute to Qt, you will have to sign a Contribution License Agreement with Nokia. We have put a lot of effort keeping the Qt codebase legally clear and clean, and this attention to detail will continue under the Qt Project. We have been over the last months reviewed the CLA extensively with many stakeholders and believe we have a solution that is as inclusive as possible for all companies and individuals that want to contribute to Qt. The CLA also enables the commercial ecosystem around Qt to continue to thrive and contribute to the project. Further, there are a number of legal obligations from Trolltech and Nokia that have to be taken into account."

      http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/09/12/qt-project/
      I'm aware of that blog post but aside the unspecific claim “there are legal obligations” no details are given. If Qt was actually under “open governance”, those obligations were made public to openly review them.
      As I already wrote: I'm aware of the obligations for Qt 4.x as commercial support contracts guaranty the possibility of closed source releases for the timespan of a Qt generation. But as I also wrote: Qt 5 would be a new generation and that would free Nokia from those obligations.

      Aside from the obvious scam that potential contributors give more rights to Nokia than contributors have themselves, there are a number of additional problems with that CLA.
      I give one example: Let’s say – hypothetically – that the Mozilla’s new Azure graphics was so awesome it would make perfect sense to port it to Qt and use it there. In actual LGPLed community projects that would be no problem. In Qt that’s not possible because the CLA forbids it.
      Everybody bitches against NIH syndrome – eg when GNOME people are too proud or whatever to implement KDE’s StatusNotifier protocol.
      Now even under “open governance” NIH syndrome is still mandated by Qt.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
        Everybody bitches against NIH syndrome – eg when GNOME people are too proud or whatever to implement KDE’s StatusNotifier protocol.
        Now even under “open governance” NIH syndrome is still mandated by Qt.
        They accepted Phonon from KDE and maybe something else, too. Even if Gnome and Qt suffer from the NIH syndrome KDE doesn't. If there will be something wrong with Qt and Nokia in the future it can be always forked. At this point they're playing well.

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        • #19
          People with doubts about this, read this: http://dot.kde.org/2011/10/21/kde-ap...pen-governance

          So Qt it's FREE forever.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by kraftman View Post
            They accepted Phonon from KDE and maybe something else, too.
            That “something else” is WebKit. But those are separate modules. In fact Qt’s old web renderer is still maintained as an option for owners of the commercial license (at least in Qt 4.x).
            Phonon was a short experiment. It is deprecated now and replaced by QtMultimedia which can be made proprietary again.

            As long as Nokia maintains its CLA, “foreign” LGPLed code cannot be imported into QtCore, QtDeclarative, or QtGui.
            Nokia in turn can to whatever it wants with Qt code, incl. incorporating it into proprietary software for the “beloved” WP7.

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