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  • I yeasterday tested gnome-shell 3.2, and it is very big improvement to the 3.0. MUCH faster, more options, some customization. Good. There are themes and extensions but for some reason extensions are not packaged in Debian, and theme installing isn't simple.

    So, there is progress. I still miss a lot most of the classic gnome applets, and ability to rearange panels, etc.

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    • Originally posted by kraftman View Post
      You should show this to Gnome devs, because [...]
      Hahahahahahahahahahaha

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      • Originally posted by prokoudine View Post
        I appreciate the time you put into collecting all those links, but I keep reserving my right to disagree
        Yes, sure. But it was not a "collection of links". All those links were centered around one topic: microsoft using 50%+ of "windows tax" not for any development, but for slicking behind the user attention, keep user as idiots, tax them, maintain this situation.
        Hence, microsoft are and are for idiots.

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        • Originally posted by crazycheese View Post
          Yes, sure. But it was not a "collection of links". All those links were centered around one topic: microsoft using 50%+ of "windows tax" not for any development, but for slicking behind the user attention, keep user as idiots, tax them, maintain this situation.
          Hence, microsoft are and are for idiots.
          The Linux desktop is still at <1% market share and comments that assert that the other 99.5% of the world are just idiots, rather than addressing the numerous problems of user-friendliness on the Linux desktop environments (and I do mean all of them), are pure arrogance.

          But by all means.. Continue in your own little world making assumption that everybody in the world except you is a complete idiot.. That kind of attitude has really done a lot for the Linux desktop over the years (sarcasm).

          Gnome 3.X and KDE4 are a long way from perfect, but at least they're trying new things and trying to be innovative.. Sure there's going to be bumps along the road, but I'd think the Linux community should be in favor of significant changes rather than against it. Unless the Linux community in general really doesn't care to remain at the <1%. In which case the rest of the world will go on dismissing the Desktop Linux users as insignificant and perhaps even irrelevant to Desktop computing.
          Last edited by Sidicas; 10-19-2011, 09:07 AM.

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          • Originally posted by Sidicas View Post
            The Linux desktop is still at <1% market share and comments that assert that the other 99.5% of the world are just idiots, rather than addressing the numerous problems of user-friendliness on the Linux desktop environments (and I do mean all of them), are pure arrogance.
            I see no reason to consider Linux is less popular than Os x. Btw. Ubuntu and some KDE distros are much more user friendly than ms Windozes, but they are less popular. I consider they're also much more user friendly than Os x. The main problems of unpopularity lay in available (or rather missing in this case) apps and PR bull. Btw. that 1% was funny years ago. If we also count Android the numbers can be quite good for Linux. Saying that every non Linux user is an idiot isn't smart, but I think when someone says such thing he means real idiots who follow their imaginary gods blindly.

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            • Originally posted by kraftman View Post
              You should show this to Gnome devs, because it's far more attractive and usable than defaults.
              I would love to if they would give half a shit. However, clearly they don't. If there was a way I could work with the guy that made those extensions to get them pushed upstream, I would totally do so. Just curious, did you try out the modifications for yourself?

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              • Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                Hahahahahahahahahahaha
                That was the first thing I thought... LOL

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                • Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                  Btw. Ubuntu and some KDE distros are much more user friendly than ms Windozes, but they are less popular.
                  The desktop environments might be more user friendly, but the applications that you run under the desktop environment still have a long way to go to be on par with their Windows equivalents.

                  Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                  I see no reason to consider Linux is less popular than Os x.
                  I'm not sure what you mean here.. Do you consider Mac OS X users to be Linux users?

                  Last time I checked, Mac OS X was up to 15% Desktop market share.. The major Linux desktop environments are still around 1%.. All of Mac OS X's growth came from former Windows users, so it's not impossible to steal Windows market share.. It's just that Linux desktop environments haven't been doing a good job of it.

                  Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                  Btw. that 1% was funny years ago. If we also count Android the numbers can be quite good for Linux.
                  Android is for tablets and cell phones.. Not for desktops.. I was referring to Desktop Linux, but yes it's great to see the success of Linux even if that means that Android will ultimately be competing against Gnome and KDE (Plasma Active one) in the tablet market.

                  The major thing I have against Android is that it does not run KDE and Gnome apps naively like a typical Linux desktop would.. So any market share lost from Gnome or KDE to Android could be disastrous as there is non-trivial porting barrier there making it difficult for open source apps to support both (Gnome + Android or KDE + Android). Compared to running KDE + Gnome apps on a typical Linux desktop which works just fine.

                  Google is trying to push their Android as a desktop solution to everything mobile.. And one day might start gobbling up KDE and Gnome users along the way if the major desktop environments don't keep up with the innovation.

                  Check out some of the new videos from Google's Ice Cream Sandwich release of Android.. Pretty amazing stuff.
                  Last edited by Sidicas; 10-19-2011, 09:59 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by LinuxID10T View Post
                    I would love to if they would give half a shit. However, clearly they don't. If there was a way I could work with the guy that made those extensions to get them pushed upstream, I would totally do so. Just curious, did you try out the modifications for yourself?
                    That would be very good for Gnome. I didn't try this, because I run Arch with KDE right now. However, that modified Gnome looks simply great.

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                    • Originally posted by Sidicas View Post
                      I'm not sure what you mean here.. Do you consider Mac OS X users to be Linux users?

                      Last time I checked, Mac OS X was up to 15% Desktop market share.. The major Linux desktop environments are still around 1%.. All of Mac OS X's growth came from former Windows users, so it's not impossible to steal Windows market share.. It's just that Linux desktop environments haven't been doing a good job of it.
                      That's hard to believe Os x market share is higher than 10%. Numbers can be misleading, because afaik there's no good way to measure Linux market share.

                      Android is for tablets and cell phones.. Not for desktops.. I was referring to Desktop Linux, but yes it's great to see the success of Linux even if that means that Android will ultimately be competing against Gnome and KDE (Plasma Active one) in the tablet market.
                      ...
                      That's true what you said about Android, of course. It's not for desktop, but it makes overall Linux more popular some way.

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                      • Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                        That's hard to believe Os x market share is higher than 10%. Numbers can be misleading, because afaik there's no good way to measure Linux market share.
                        I find this a good measure, but you don't get all those FaceBook junkies etc. Only people who actual visit Wikipedia to look up stuff. Which most people do at work, since without Wikipedia the IQ drops by ~50% Also you don't visit Wikipedia from a server or something, those are indeed Desktop systems.

                        http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia...ingSystems.htm
                        On Wikipedia Linux is ~3.3%, iOs 3.5%, Mac 8.15% and Windows 78.7%

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                        • Originally posted by Hephasteus View Post
                          Call me in a year when you finally realize that linux is undergoing an adopt and screw over phase. All you have to do is look at where it's heading.

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxSk4YAmmrU

                          There's a saying. The universe is perfect. Fuck with it at your own risk. That statement is a giant lie. The universe is so far from perfect but it doesn't want to change.
                          Gnome 2's biggest problem is it was close to perfect. XP is close to perfect as far as interface is concerned as well.
                          You are about to get massively fucked with as computers turn into giant freaking netbios machines with new system bioses that bring all cores up on startup. Every computer on the planet is going to be completely remote controllable. They are building the kraken and they will come out of dark pools of dark fiber that is supposedly unsold unallocated and unlit behind vpn's with unresolveable names that can mysteriously waltz past mac address blocking in your routers and port shutting in your system firewall. Because only one core has to tell the truth. The others can lie their asses off and you'll never figure it out.

                          But first they have to shut off your ability to focus where you need to. This requires making your desktop and task switching and window positioning unfucking tennable.

                          http://www.cultofmac.com/wordpress/w...1/09/MTBjU.jpg

                          Gnome 3 is not quite so insidious. Every single operating system on the planet is a keylogger. It's just that simple. If you're computer has a keyboard your operating system functions as a keylogger. Gnome tries to get you to use your keyboard more because every single computer is NOT a mouse logger. Smart phones and ultra portables do all the auto typing because they also try to get you to use a "keyboard" so they can key log you more.

                          Computers should sit around mostly while people think. Presenting gnome 3 as a tool for some coked up red bull snorting keybanging click fiend is not really representing "productivity".

                          What's more important is you better throw a fucking hissy fit about this bios shit or you are going to be in a fucking logic nightmare. And I'm not talking about politely asking why the fuck these changes are happening. I'm talking about 300 watt lights and rubber freaking hose.

                          http://www.cut-the-knot.org/impossible/brothers.shtml

                          Because your about to get schooled in psychopathic boolean logic by the psychopaths that created this technology.
                          Are you serious? I can't believe posts this stupid even exist. Gnome 3 is trying to get you to use the keyboard so it can keylog you? That is the most idiodic thing I've heard in some time. Take off your tinfoil hat and get over yourself.

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                          • Originally posted by disi View Post
                            I find this a good measure, but you don't get all those FaceBook junkies etc. Only people who actual visit Wikipedia to look up stuff. Which most people do at work, since without Wikipedia the IQ drops by ~50% Also you don't visit Wikipedia from a server or something, those are indeed Desktop systems.

                            http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia...ingSystems.htm
                            On Wikipedia Linux is ~3.3%, iOs 3.5%, Mac 8.15% and Windows 78.7%
                            Thanks for the measure. That would suggest OS X is indeed quite more popular overall. As for Linux Ubuntu rocks.

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                            • Originally posted by disi View Post
                              I find this a good measure, but you don't get all those FaceBook junkies etc. Only people who actual visit Wikipedia to look up stuff. Which most people do at work, since without Wikipedia the IQ drops by ~50% Also you don't visit Wikipedia from a server or something, those are indeed Desktop systems.

                              http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia...ingSystems.htm
                              On Wikipedia Linux is ~3.3%, iOs 3.5%, Mac 8.15% and Windows 78.7%
                              Those numbers are very far off from a market share representation. For example, if apple phone is at 3.56% (note that they break them down as far as phone, tablet, mp3player go), then Linux *MUST* be greater than 3.56% since it includes ANDROID. Android has a bigger market share than apple (in terms of phones, specifically) by about 3.5:1.

                              Most analysis of market share for desktop operating systems are based on actual sales numbers (whether with a new computer, or boxed software). Now unfortunately, desktop linux has EXTREMELY few actual sales -- there was a brief surge as a result of netbooks shipping with various crippled linux, but everybody else downloads and installs for free, literally no way to track these. Websites are also a notoriously unreliable way to track operating system usage since different websites attract different kinds of people, and on top of that, the user-agent doesn't REALLY say what operating system you're running. Many people alter their user-agent to trick hostile websites.

                              In the end, the only way to determine the actual user-base would be to break into everybody's homes and offices and ACTUALLY COUNT THEM.

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                              • Originally posted by ludovic.silvestre View Post
                                Besides, if you use your keyboard to launch an application, you don't need to care about the categories.
                                When your answer to 'starting applications with your GUI is difficult' is 'use the keyboard to start the application'.... you're doing something wrong.

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