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  • #16
    Michael, I guess this is the first part of an article series, dedicated to rude and hostile expressions. Unsurprisingly haters gonna hate.

    I am looking forward to part two of your survey report with well-chosen samples of constructive criticism.


    • #17
      Originally posted by puntarenas View Post
      Michael, I guess this is the first part of an article series, dedicated to rude and hostile expressions. Unsurprisingly haters gonna hate.

      I am looking forward to part two of your survey report with well-chosen samples of constructive criticism.
      Unfortunately, it's quite possible that you need a whole new survey for that, created by someone who doesn't misread things badly and isn't passively aggressive with sudden bursts of active aggression.


      • #18

        I think this might be the last time I respond to a survey on this site. Isn't the usual way of presenting results to wait for the deadline, analyze the results and then present some numbers (with some chosen quotes to back it up if necessary), not to go through the responses one day into it and pick out the worst quotes you can find that supports your preconceived notion, and then proceed to write a troll-article about it. It's possible that the responses that criticizes gnome constitutes the absolute majority for all I know (although I know for a fact that it's not the only kind of response), but these kinds of troll-fluff-filler articles are just.. blargh.


        • #19
          If it bleeds, it leads...

          Solicit drive-by rage. Post sensational headline. This stuff practically writes itself...


          Thanks for the "effort", Michael Larrabee.


          • #20
            Well I have to say from starting to really like Gnome 2, dislike Unity and tried Gnome 3, I am back to Unity and Ubuntu 11.10 and perfectly happy now.

            Gnome 2 is simple and effective, neither Gnome or Ubuntu should hinder the possibility to use and continue development of it.

            Gnome 3 is really still in testing and should be in some staging ground somewhere where it can mature. I consider myself as a pretty good computer user but I cannot figure out why there are so stupid design and functions of Gnome 3 that really hinders and slows down the usage of the system. You should never do as Microsoft and expect the users to be idiots, the worst thought process ever.

            Unity has had a lot of bugs and hasn't been fully mature. But since 11.10 with unity-2d alongside the only bugs I have found is with wine and Unity, and the work flow is really good. The only bad I can say about it is that the Ubuntu team still don't seam to have decided on the design and functions which several have changed between 11.04 and 11.10. I just hope they won't do any drastic changes for 12.04 which you need to get used to.

            And off course I cannot forget to comment about the bad (almost nonexistent) configure options that both Unity and Gnome 3 suffers from. Even though Unity has some hidden away under compiz-config a lot is missing and badly explained.


            • #21
              Originally posted by wizard69 View Post
              Seriously good product these days. You more or less get a BSD UNIX with a good set of apps. Plus the ability to run hundreds of UNIX and X apps. Best of both worlds. Further it puts some real space between me and GPL3.

              Considering the amount of Open source software that Apple does support I actually end up feeling pretty good about the choice. LLVM/CLang are coming along really well offering a real alternative to GCC. All my usual tools are right there or a download away. If not Apple has been pricing commercial software much more reasonably these days.

              In a nut shell I don't have to put up with GNome anymore.
              Its like going to Windows happily, cause .net is support there better. Sure, you are welcome.
              But Apple is NOT opensource or FLOSS company.
              Their projects are BSD licensed and they actively use OpenCORE model.
              Beside, their iPhone is rumored to spying on owner as much as it is possible.

              Windows or apples. Not my cup of tea, either.

              Really liked Gnome 2, albeit some core functionality was missing (forcing you to open terminal), the DE itself lacks functionality for the sake of aesthetics and all important stuff was shoved into windows registry-like tree.
              Really really hated KDE3, even if I used it a lot on Solaris. Really hated that plastic windows-like feeling.
              Hated XFCE for again, sacrificing a lot of functionality, but this time for 100Mb less RAM usage. Which is everything, except understandable. XFCE is still like that (if that bothers you..)
              Hated KDE4, because it was so buggy. "Plasma crashed" has become a meme.

              Since 4.6.5 plasma stopped crashing and KDE4 was ready for mass usage. Using it since then - good balance between memory usage and functionality. Love it.
              Last edited by crazycheese; 10-18-2011, 09:05 AM.


              • #22
                2011-10-10 05:26 pm UTC (link)
                Is there any plans of using akonadi as a backend anytime soon? it would concentrate efforts with kde, and provide a lot of syncing features for free, along with a lot of other advantages.

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                Re: Akonadi?
                2011-10-10 05:31 pm UTC (link)
                In other words scrap Evolution-Data-Server and start over? Nope, no plans for that.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by scuba View Post
                  You should never do as Microsoft and expect the users to be idiots, the worst thought process ever.
                  Actually telling people that they treat other people like idiots is an insult in itself, especially when they don't treat people that way. Just so you know.


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Welsh Dwarf View Post
                    Disclaimer: Happy gnome user here, was a happy KDE user until 1 month ago, then wanted a change

                    What's to bet that the same people moaning about Gnome 3 and pointing out how great KDE is are the same people who hated on KDE4 when it game out and pointed out how great gnome was.


                    Haters gotta hate.

                    Seems to be more like people hating on Gnome 3 and saying how great Gnome 2 is and threatening that if they don't get what they want they'll switch to KDE4...

                    Coincidentally.. Same thing happened with KDE4 where people were hating on KDE4 saying how great KDE3 was and threatening that if they don't get what they'll want they'll switch to Gnome...

                    If you're going to be innovative, then no doubt you're going to get some users' panties in a bunch along the way.. Windows had Vista before they had 7.

                    Not much to see here, IMO.. Instead of having "comments" I think people should be submitting user-case scenarios and giving better feedback about what needs to be changed/fixed instead of whining about how much it sucks.
                    Last edited by Sidicas; 10-18-2011, 09:20 AM.


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Welsh Dwarf View Post
                      Haters gotta hate.

                      I think the funniest part of all this is despite the constant assertions that GNOME 3 is 'designed for dumbasses', that only an unblinking idiot can like it, and that the true intelligensia all love GNOME 2, there has not yet been a single serious fork of GNOME 2 to continue its development. Even reversing the button order triggered GoneME, yet the true heroes of harassing and abusing developers haven't managed to do even that much this time around. Which is a surprise, given how immensely smart these people are, and how many millions of them I'm constantly told there are.

                      Oh well.


                      • #26
                        I find rather sad to read this on the front page. You can't make a decent article by selecting some troll comments that have not one single valid argument. Posting in your article that someone said: "GNOME3 SUCKS, KILL IT!" as an opinion worth reading is even more sad than beeing responsible for the comment itself.

                        Sure Gnome 3 is not perfect, it still has to mature. Same goes for KDE: I've been a KDE user for a long time, and suffered the KDE 3.x change to KDE 4.x, and I'm happy that both projects have chosen to continue evolving. That beeing said, I still think GNOME 2.x to GNOME 3.x transition has been much much smoother, and personally, I like more the direction that GNOME has chosen.

                        I find it very brave that desktops are doubting even the oldest paradigms in computer usage, and putting in some new ideas. Meanwhile, no one is forcing you to use a less-mature desktop; you can always stick with GNOME 2.x or KDE 3.x if you want to wait until the newer desktops are mature enough.


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by ungoliant View Post
                          You can't make a decent article by selecting some troll comments that have not one single valid argument.
                          Doesn't have to be decent as long as pages of comments keep pouring in.


                          • #28
                            I expected beautifully crafted insults that even God Himself (TM) couldn't think up.

                            In all seriousness; Gnome fscked up even harder, again. Labeling everything of as hate is a little stupid, given that it's build up hatret since the beginning of Gnome.

                            Do the poll again in half a year.


                            • #29
                              Oh phoronix... First of all none of the text boxes in that survey asked what you liked about gnome 3, only what you disliked. And then you go through and cherry pick the most trollish, least contructive comments and post them in an article?

                              Blatantly pandering to the "zomg I HATE GNOME-SHELL IT KILLED MY DOG" crowd.

                              I think gnome-shell is great. Its still lacking options, but thats been improving every release, and many of the complains can easily already be fixed with gnome-tweak-tool and gnome-shell extensions.
                              Last edited by bwat47; 10-18-2011, 10:00 AM.


                              • #30
                                I think most of the hate that the GNOME-Shell just hate it because they just feel the need to hate on new things. True there is a big lack of customization in GNOME-Shell but it think maybe, just maybe, GNOME-Shell just isn't KDE and since you cannot judge it for not being like KDE. Things that people could complain could be the existence of bugs, which at least using Fedora, are waaaay less than KDE.

                                Now stuff that I mentioned that I would like to be seen corrected in GNOME-Shell...

                                1- Some menus get behind the gnome-panel (not all of them, for instance LibreOffice isn't affected by this but Firefox is);
                                2- When I click in Activities the cpu usage gets super high, also when pressing in the applications button to browse the list tends to be slow to enter the first time (if I don't go to activities again in a quite long period of time this happens again);
                                3- My cpu usage is constantly high (this did not happened when using GNOME 2.x);
                                4- When connecting to my Gmail account with Evolution it keeps telling me that it couldn't ping the IMAP server after a while;
                                5- Proxy settings in the System Settings control panel lacks the option to add a user name and password for a determined proxy (if there is a way of doing this for all system wide I seriously couldn't find it, at least I think this would be the most obvious way);
                                6- When using the little bubbles to chat with Empathy, sometimes the whole system freezes for a while (it eventually unfreezes but still it hangs for at least 2 minutes which is a bummer).

                                Also this isn't much of a bug but the current default theme for GNOME 3 is IMO just horrible and a little of rework on it would be nice but anyway this isn't something that really bothers me much since I care more of efficiency rather than looks (and no I haven't found a single theme for GNOME-Shell that I would call it nice or any good :P).