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Originally posted by disi View PostI find this a good measure, but you don't get all those FaceBook junkies etc. Only people who actual visit Wikipedia to look up stuff. Which most people do at work, since without Wikipedia the IQ drops by ~50% Also you don't visit Wikipedia from a server or something, those are indeed Desktop systems.
On Wikipedia Linux is ~3.3%, iOs 3.5%, Mac 8.15% and Windows 78.7%
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Originally posted by disi View PostI find this a good measure, but you don't get all those FaceBook junkies etc. Only people who actual visit Wikipedia to look up stuff. Which most people do at work, since without Wikipedia the IQ drops by ~50% Also you don't visit Wikipedia from a server or something, those are indeed Desktop systems.
On Wikipedia Linux is ~3.3%, iOs 3.5%, Mac 8.15% and Windows 78.7%
Most analysis of market share for desktop operating systems are based on actual sales numbers (whether with a new computer, or boxed software). Now unfortunately, desktop linux has EXTREMELY few actual sales -- there was a brief surge as a result of netbooks shipping with various crippled linux, but everybody else downloads and installs for free, literally no way to track these. Websites are also a notoriously unreliable way to track operating system usage since different websites attract different kinds of people, and on top of that, the user-agent doesn't REALLY say what operating system you're running. Many people alter their user-agent to trick hostile websites.
In the end, the only way to determine the actual user-base would be to break into everybody's homes and offices and ACTUALLY COUNT THEM.
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Originally posted by ludovic.silvestre View PostBesides, if you use your keyboard to launch an application, you don't need to care about the categories.
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Originally posted by 0xCAFE View PostActually, Gnome 3 has only one bar instead of two, is lighter on the options, uses less RAM, stays more out of the way etc. in comparison to Gnome 2.
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Originally posted by bwat47 View PostThis post is so stupid and hyperbolic I can't even begin to describe it. Why am I a tard for liking gnome 3? GET OVER YOURSELF you self-centered prick. And gnome 3 is designed to stay out of your way and let you focus on the task at hand, thats the whole fucking point behind gnome-shell's design.
By default gnome-shell is one of the most minimalistic DE's out there, it takes up less space than the default gnome 2 setup... How is space being wasted by uselessness? Two bars on the top and bottom in the era of widescreen monitors is "uselessness". You can say a lot of things about gnome 3 but its certainly not "in your face" and "distracting"
If you are scanning through thousands of icons you are doing it wrong, use the damn search. And your "frequently used" apps belong on the dock, thats what its there for.
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Originally posted by ludovic.silvestre View PostCompositing is already optional, just use the fallback mode. And the "pretty", or "bling bling" as I call it, while not directly useful, it's a great factor for new, non-power, users (people just like pretty things...).
I assume your talking about the activities screen. If that's the case, you're right, but your solution is not the best. Instead of using less screen space, you should be able to increase/decrease the icon's and button's size. Personally, I think the size is perfect and I'm using a 1080p screen.
Hrrr....I think you're not using gnome-shell :S For example I launch firefox with 7 key strokes (Window button, f, i, r, e, f, Enter) or with 3 mouse movements and 2 mouse clicks (probably more with a small screen), and even with 1 mouse movement and 1 mouse click if you have firefox in the dock, which is almost the same as your "frequently used" category.
And holy s**t, 7 key strokes? That not seem excessive to you? You are literally spelling it out to get it.... personally, I'd be happier just slamming the command out in a terminal window.... "firefox&<enter>", then you don't have to deal with the mess. Sure, 2 mouse clicks and 2 movements, but did you notice how **FAR** you have to move your mouse?
Have you ever heard of Alt-Tab?
And I think you can see the open programs in your dock. And their bloated mess (the activities screen I guess) is really great for mouse users because the icons are quite big.
You probably have a small screen or a lot of programs open at the same time. If it's the latest, then put your programs into several workspaces.
By the way, your solution is junk, because it will take permanent space from the display. You don't see Areo, Aqua, KDE, *box with 2 bars don't you?
You could put your application's list on the same bar as your main menu!
What gnome-panel did is it provided the FLEXIBILITY to lay out your panel[s] in the manner that you wanted. If you don't like having 2 panels, THEN PUT EVERYTHING ON ONE!!!!
Hrrr.....I don't recall having this problem, but I don't think your solution is the best. Instead of ".." button, why not a "up arrow" button and use Ctrl+"Up arrow" as a keyboard shortcut.
Honestly I don't understand your problem here, but in gnome 3.2, the activities screen has the categories listed on the right side. Besides, if you use your keyboard to launch an application, you don't need to care about the categories.
As far as the categories..... yes, RIGHT side. The menu is activated from the LEFT side. That means that you need to go to the far left, activate the menu, then switch modes, then go all the way over to the RIGHT side, then move back to somewhere in the middle to actually select the application.
I don't know or care if they have or have not removed the categories yet, but that is definitely one of the things on their to-do list.
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Originally posted by droidhacker View PostThose numbers are very far off from a market share representation. For example, if apple phone is at 3.56% (note that they break them down as far as phone, tablet, mp3player go), then Linux *MUST* be greater than 3.56% since it includes ANDROID. Android has a bigger market share than apple (in terms of phones, specifically) by about 3.5:1.
Most analysis of market share for desktop operating systems are based on actual sales numbers (whether with a new computer, or boxed software). Now unfortunately, desktop linux has EXTREMELY few actual sales -- there was a brief surge as a result of netbooks shipping with various crippled linux, but everybody else downloads and installs for free, literally no way to track these. Websites are also a notoriously unreliable way to track operating system usage since different websites attract different kinds of people, and on top of that, the user-agent doesn't REALLY say what operating system you're running. Many people alter their user-agent to trick hostile websites.
In the end, the only way to determine the actual user-base would be to break into everybody's homes and offices and ACTUALLY COUNT THEM.
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Originally posted by LinuxID10T View PostHonestly, my solution is what I always dreamed gnome would be someday. It feels like the evolutionary step where Gnome should have gone, rather than the revolutionary Gnome 3 misstep.
However, what are the odds of those extensions continuing to work and not being broken on a regular basis since they're not cool enough for the Gnome devs?
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Originally posted by Sidicas View PostHeh.. I agree.. I don't think the old Gnome 2.x / KDE 3.x models scale up at all.. Sure, it might be great for somebody who runs a few terminals and a web browser, but it's not uncommon for PCs to have over 250 games installed these days...
A lot of the people complaining sound like they just want to run Gnome 2.x... So just let them run Gnome 2.x, I really don't care..
What's a better date.... a brand new pig wearing lipstick and crotchless panties (I'm talking about the barnyard variety), or a 115 pound comp-sci M.A. nerd chick with C-cups and ZERO concept of fashion? Gnome-shell = the former, gnome-panel = the latter.
There will always be those who want to clutch onto the old.. I know some people who still run fluxbox and Solaris... But the industry itself has long since moved on...
As far as people's needs for a taskbar, that is arguable. Psychology has long proven that the more ways people divide their attention across unrelated tasks, the less efficient they become in getting work done compared to if they focused on one task at a time. This has been proven again and again and again since the 1960s.. Anybody who has ever tried to do some coding while trying to answer instant messages at the same time knows exactly what I mean. Anybody who has ever tried to text message while driving a car will know exactly what I mean.. Computers are getting so fast now that people spend less and less time waiting on the computer to do things, so they shouldn't be multi-tasking as much as has been needed in the past. The multi-tasking mess that Bill Gates created will most likely just go away but it's unsurprising that some people want to clutch onto it because it's probably how they've been using a computer their entire lives.
Having multiple applications open at the same time doesn't allow you to truly multitask. It allows you to switch between different tasks conveniently.
Let me give you an example of why this is so important;
If I'm developing some piece of software, there are presumably some set of functions that it must perform. In one window, I have the document describing exactly how it is to work (I reference that as needed). In another window, I have a text editor where I am actually working on the code, 3rd window, I have a terminal where I COMPILE the code as I make changes, 4th window, I use for TESTING the code each time it is compiled. 5th window is communications with others I'm working on the project with. Note that the 6th window has that kernel that I was compiling in the background, another window is a video recorder capturing from a TV tuner -- going to watch that later.... etc.
Now.... at a certain threshold, it becomes impractical to use alt-tab for switching between those, and the overview mode makes things impossible to distinguish. Besides, I don't want to keep chasing all over the screen several times and issuing a dozen mouse clicks just because I want to switch between the compile window and the test window.... I'd much rather just hit the right one with ONE click by hitting the proper spot on the task bar.
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