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  • The Plans For KDE Frameworks 5.0 Were Just Announced

    Phoronix: The Plans For KDE Frameworks 5.0 Were Just Announced

    There's more news this weekend out of Berlin about the Linux desktop. Beyond KDE on Wayland and primitive talk about GTK4, at the joint KDE-GNOME Desktop Summit, plans for KDE Frameworks 5.0 were announced...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTc2Mg

  • #2
    Is it coincidental the KDE and Qt seem to share major version numbers?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
      Is it coincidental the KDE and Qt seem to share major version numbers?
      No. (Post lenght)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
        Is it coincidental the KDE and Qt seem to share major version numbers?
        In both Qt and KDE, change in the major version number indicates an ABI break (eg breaks binary compatibility). As the KDE libraries extends the Qt libraries, the KDE major version will always change when the Qt major version does. In theory KDE could release a new major version use the same Qt version, or skip an entire Qt major series, sticking with an old Qt, but so far neither has happened, and thus they still share the major version number.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
          Is it coincidental the KDE and Qt seem to share major version numbers?
          KDE does not have a number. Qt has.

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          • #6
            suggestion for KDE 5

            By any chance you guys can make the KDE 5 less options?
            or provide a way for people to fork KDE to became KDE-Simple ?
            or provide an option in KDE 5 Control Panel which can overide the default setting?

            I love KDE. but it have too much option. yes, people will scold me with "KDE have greater flexibility", but that's not the point. sometimes you need the simplicity. Sometimes you need the flexibility.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by misterpah View Post
              By any chance you guys can make the KDE 5 less options?
              or provide a way for people to fork KDE to became KDE-Simple ?
              or provide an option in KDE 5 Control Panel which can overide the default setting?

              I love KDE. but it have too much option. yes, people will scold me with "KDE have greater flexibility", but that's not the point. sometimes you need the simplicity. Sometimes you need the flexibility.
              Which options do you cut? Just look here and elsewhere at the KDE 3.5 fans screaming bloody murder because a pet feature or option was removed between KDE 3 and KDE4 most of the grievances are over features that I never personally use or used. I imagine that the simplified set of options that you would want would not be the same as the simplified environment I would pick.

              I might question need for 5 different theming sections in configuration Widget Style, Gtk WidgetStyle, Colour scheme, Window Decorations, Workspace theme.

              I agree that setting system can be overly complex but I don't see any way to simplify it significantly without alienating a significant portion of the existing users, many who use KDE precisely because they can configure it to work precisely the way they want.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by misterpah View Post
                By any chance you guys can make the KDE 5 less options?
                ...
                or provide an option in KDE 5 Control Panel which can overide the default setting?
                Wait, so you want to remove options from KDE...by adding more options?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by kayosiii View Post
                  I might question need for 5 different theming sections in configuration Widget Style, Gtk WidgetStyle, Colour scheme, Window Decorations, Workspace theme.
                  We could get rid of one of those if GTK would just use the native widget style when running under KDE, but they so far have not bothered to implement that, hence the need for a workaround in KDE. I don't see how you could get rid of the others.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by misterpah View Post
                    By any chance you guys can make the KDE 5 less options?
                    or provide a way for people to fork KDE to became KDE-Simple ?
                    or provide an option in KDE 5 Control Panel which can overide the default setting?

                    I love KDE. but it have too much option. yes, people will scold me with "KDE have greater flexibility", but that's not the point. sometimes you need the simplicity. Sometimes you need the flexibility.
                    You don't want KDE to follow Gnome3 do you? Rather than removing options it's better to hide them somewhere.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                      You don't want KDE to follow Gnome3 do you? Rather than removing options it's better to hide them somewhere.
                      yey! someone do understand me =D
                      choosing words always a problem with me. my bad

                      an option in KDE control panel. or even better , an icon (toggle) at window decoration.
                      the option will hide (thanks krafman) most of the option which can be considered as 'complex' option.
                      a simple toggle will revert it as normal.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by misterpah View Post
                        yey! someone do understand me =D
                        choosing words always a problem with me. my bad

                        an option in KDE control panel. or even better , an icon (toggle) at window decoration.
                        the option will hide (thanks krafman) most of the option which can be considered as 'complex' option.
                        a simple toggle will revert it as normal.
                        I don't understand your issue. No options are shown until you click Settings -> Configure. If you don't want to see an option, can't you just not open the options dialogue?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                          We could get rid of one of those if GTK would just use the native widget style when running under KDE, but they so far have not bothered to implement that, hence the need for a workaround in KDE. I don't see how you could get rid of the others.
                          Well it could all be consolidated into a Desktop Theme category but that'd be a mess..

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by krazy View Post
                            I don't understand your issue. No options are shown until you click Settings -> Configure. If you don't want to see an option, can't you just not open the options dialogue?
                            yup. i'm completely understand that. but i'm thinking from the very noob computer user (btw, im a web/wordpress programmer 5years, python a little bit, 12 years of programming experience. so i don't think im a noob )

                            for case of study :
                            i am a noob.
                            sooner or later, I will open the settings->configure to manage something (example : the color for the background of the what-what application)
                            I will be confused with all the options, and then I will only use what the default setting. and sooner or later, i will rattle out from linux because "it's SOO HARD and Confusing" and settle back on the land of windows xp.

                            im just saying, it's good to hide all the complex things from the noob. of course the power user still can view the complex options

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by misterpah View Post
                              yup. i'm completely understand that. but i'm thinking from the very noob computer user (btw, im a web/wordpress programmer 5years, python a little bit, 12 years of programming experience. so i don't think im a noob )

                              for case of study :
                              i am a noob.
                              sooner or later, I will open the settings->configure to manage something (example : the color for the background of the what-what application)
                              I will be confused with all the options, and then I will only use what the default setting. and sooner or later, i will rattle out from linux because "it's SOO HARD and Confusing" and settle back on the land of windows xp.

                              im just saying, it's good to hide all the complex things from the noob. of course the power user still can view the complex options
                              Unless this person is going "Oh Noes There's more than 1 (there are only 36) option whatever shall I Doez!?!?!?!?!?", I think Application Appearance is extremely obvious for the example you were pointing at. The kind of user you're implying would never change the defaults at all in the first place, and thinks a theme change means an entirely new OS; there is absolutely no reason at all to support such stupid behavior.

                              Honestly this idea that Minimalism = Usability is absolute stupidity. Usability = Use Ability, this idea with dolphin for instance of "Let's hide the tagging and info panes by default" hides very important functionality from the user, and for what? Because You Think it overwhelms them? Give me a break that's utter garbage. Yes you give new users redundancy and extra choices they'll balk because they've never dealt with that before, however that's not what this is. This is declaring the average person using your DE an idiot and totally incompetent, and that you shouldn't be allowed to do what you want with it, instead that you should just do what they want you to do rather than what you want to (hey sound like a certain two companies, and another DE much?)

                              And yes I know I'm being very harsh but this concept deserves it.

                              Edit: In Fact if they're that low give them the Sugar DE until they learn to grow up and actually learn their computer, It's not that people can't learn, it's simply that they refuse to do so, they want you to hold their hand rather than actively learning. They want to be given a fish rather than be taught how to. Don't give in to them, They are to be taught not given.
                              Last edited by Luke_Wolf; 08-10-2011, 12:50 AM.

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