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    Phoronix: Java SE 7 Finally Sees The Light Of Day

    Just landing in Europe now for the Phoronix Oslo event taking place tonight in Aker Brygge, but the news on the Internet seems to be that -- at long last -- Oracle has officially released Java SE 7...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTcyNg

  • #2
    Is anyone still using the official Java or have we all moved to IcedTea?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
      Is anyone still using the official Java or have we all moved to IcedTea?
      I have never shipped anything that runs on IcedTea. Nor have I heard of anyone doing this.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
        Is anyone still using the official Java or have we all moved to IcedTea?
        You got it backwards. Who is using IcedTea?

        A. Java is opensource enough for most developers.
        B. Java works.
        C. Java is what customers use.

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        • #5
          OpenJDK is the java enviroment, icedtea-web is the java plugin, both are fully open source and in a fully libre GPL license.

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          • #6
            Using openjdk and icedtea here.

            Anyway i read about Java 7 was moving to openjdk:

            http://blogs.oracle.com/henrik/entry...openjdk_as_the

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            • #7
              Haven't run into anything that doesn't run on OpenJDK/IcedTea myself.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by devius View Post
                Haven't run into anything that doesn't run on OpenJDK/IcedTea myself.
                PCGEN : "work" but lots of lists are totally bugged (like, no item in the item list, no spell in the spell list...)

                Minecraft : Crashed at launch the last time I tried.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Laughing1 View Post
                  OpenJDK is the java enviroment, icedtea-web is the java plugin, both are fully open source and in a fully libre GPL license.
                  I think IcedTea is a project by RedHat to give OpenJDK a UNIX compatible build system and fill in any portions that were not released by Sun. icedtea-web is one of them.

                  Also, while OpenJDK is open source (and licensed under the GPL as you say), Java itself is not. The source code to various bits is missing.

                  Originally posted by RavFX View Post
                  PCGEN : "work" but lots of lists are totally bugged (like, no item in the item list, no spell in the spell list...)

                  Minecraft : Crashed at launch the last time I tried.
                  The only issue I had was sound in Runescape and I filed a bug report to have it fixed. IcedTea has made a great deal of progress and its compatibility with the official java is nearly perfect. The most common issue is that some programs rely on Java identifying itself as Sun Java. If they do not see that, they have issues.

                  When was the last time you tried and did you try IcedTea or OpenJDK? Did you use an absurdly old version from your distribution's repositories that was from before OpenJDK passed the official Java compliance tests?
                  Last edited by Shining Arcanine; 07-29-2011, 10:24 AM.

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                  • #10
                    IcedTea is NOT "the" java distribution

                    The icedtea distribution is not run through Oracle's QA testing, and it has many many bugs that are not in the standard jdk

                    Their testing takes weeks, that's why build 147 was up there for so long before they finally released it.

                    In my experience many commercial java applications won't run at all with icedtea

                    Also in my experience these commercial apps are only tested with the official jdk, so the bugs are not even reported to icedtea.

                    icedtea may be feature compatible, but it most certainly has not had even close to the same level of testing.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by frantaylor View Post
                      The icedtea distribution is not run through Oracle's QA testing, and it has many many bugs that are not in the standard jdk

                      Their testing takes weeks, that's why build 147 was up there for so long before they finally released it.

                      In my experience many commercial java applications won't run at all with icedtea

                      Also in my experience these commercial apps are only tested with the official jdk, so the bugs are not even reported to icedtea.

                      icedtea may be feature compatible, but it most certainly has not had even close to the same level of testing.
                      What applications are these and what version of IcedTea did you use? Did you file bug reports?

                      The official java binaries continually suffer from security vulnerabilities that cannot be patched by its users (unless they are genii and can patch binaries) and they go unpatched for weeks or even months. Talk about the testing that Sun/Oracle does all you want, but no amount of official testing comes close to the amount of testing done by users and if the users don't file bug reports, it is not the developers fault.

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                      • #12
                        Java2D new xrender pipeline

                        One of the features of JSE7 is a new xrender pipeline for Java 2D.

                        Will there be any benchmarks coming? Has anyone tested the new render pipeline?

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                        • #13
                          Has anyone noticed that Oracle apparently owns 4 virtualization implementations? It seems that they only support Java when virtualized on their hypervisors. Anything else is not supported:

                          http://www.osnews.com/thread?482657
                          http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja...ig-417990.html

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Shining Arcanine View Post
                            Has anyone noticed that Oracle apparently owns 4 virtualization implementations? It seems that they only support Java when virtualized on their hypervisors. Anything else is not supported:

                            http://www.osnews.com/thread?482657
                            http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/ja...ig-417990.html

                            I guess by not supported they mean no commercial support available for those hypervisors. Because I know several people that routinely run Java on VMWare.

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                            • #15
                              Java 7 is too little, too late. If you want a big boost in productivity, use Lisp.
                              If you want a boost in productivity and are bound to the Java platform, use scala or possibly clojure.
                              /flame

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