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  • #16
    Originally posted by drag View Post
    Why the hell should I help YOU out? So far you have been nothing except being a unreasonable jerk.
    So true, I don't know what's wrong with him, my GeForce 9600gt doesn't cause me any troubles, it's fast, no problems playing full screen 720p/1080p youtube flash video (which uses vdpau), all games work, haven't noticed a bug.

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    • #17
      My Linux graphics drivers work flawlessly on the desktop

      Originally posted by birdie View Post
      drag, you ARE ridiculous.

      I have yet to find any good stable working OpenGL driver for any GPU in Linux.

      Will you tell me which one truly WORKS? Which one is bug free, supports all features, doesn't crash occasionally, is fast enough, etc?
      http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

      I have an AMD/ATI R710 GPU, which was very cheap indeed. The radeon r600g Gallium3D driver runs my coposited KDE4 desktop just fine, using either the Xrender or the OpenGL backends for kwin. The desktop rendering runs at 60Hz, and it is only this speed because it is frame-locked to the monitor refresh rate.

      In other words, for desktop applications such as Mozilla's Firefox browser, I can tell you that the free Radeon drivers (using KMS) called "radeon" (xf86-video-ati) from X.org truly WORKS, is bug free, supports all features (in the context of Firefox running under KDE4), doesn't crash occasionally and is fast enough.

      Enjoy.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by runeks View Post
        I have been using the open source drivers for my HD 3870 for about three years now. I have never experienced a crash on the stable versions, and only a single time on the git versions (this bug specifically).

        It's not fast enough for heavy 3D games though. But surely fast enough for 2D rendering.
        Don't forget to mention that Firefox running on a desktop, using either Azure or Cairo, is perfectly within the scope of open source GPU drivers capabilities.

        WebGL has been a bit problematic, it doesn't work in Firefox 4 or 5 with open source graphics drivers, which has really been more of a problem of Firefox than of the open source drivers. The issues are fixed now, and even WebGL (which uses OpenGL 3D functions) should be fine for Firefox 6 or later.

        Firefox 6 is due for formal release on August 16th. You can run it now in beta.
        Last edited by hal2k1; 07-27-2011, 12:24 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by cl333r View Post
          I think it says what we all knew already.
          Hopefully they at least enable the nvidia blobs by default since they're good enough.
          The open source Gallium3D drivers have also been enabled by default.

          There was one bug stopping WebGL for open source Gallium3D drivers:
          https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624935

          This FIREFOX BUG has been marked as "RESOLVED FIXED". The "un-blacklist Gallium3D" change landed on Mozilla central a month ago on Mon Jun 27 :
          http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8e5753fe4939

          I'm not sure if this "un-blacklist Gallium3D" change made it to Firefox 6 or not, there was still some doubt about it in May:

          http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...item&px=OTQwOA

          It will however certainly be available in Firefox 7, which will in turn be the first build to include Azure. This build will work with open source Gallium3D drivers, you won't need to run any binary blobs.

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          • #20
            I really don't get what the fuss is about. Web browsers don't need to be super crazy fast. Mosaic worked fine on a 486 for web browsing. Are people trying to suggest that their brains are getting faster? Because I can assure everyone that this is not the case.

            Total fluff, make work projects to pretend that something is being accomplished. They're just stacking the dependencies and bloating out.

            Most of my hardware will be happy to handle these advanced pointless dependencies, but the F***ING ATOM/POULSBO won't. EVER. Guess its a good thing they aren't dropping cairo.... yet. They surely will eventually though, and that will be the death of that hardware.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
              I really don't get what the fuss is about. Web browsers don't need to be super crazy fast. Mosaic worked fine on a 486 for web browsing. Are people trying to suggest that their brains are getting faster? Because I can assure everyone that this is not the case.

              Total fluff, make work projects to pretend that something is being accomplished. They're just stacking the dependencies and bloating out.

              Most of my hardware will be happy to handle these advanced pointless dependencies, but the F***ING ATOM/POULSBO won't. EVER. Guess its a good thing they aren't dropping cairo.... yet. They surely will eventually though, and that will be the death of that hardware.
              It seems that people's brains are getting slower with time, but the content of the Internet is not. It is not plain html anymore. You have video, animations and whole systems running in your browser.
              There surly is a need for more speed.

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              • #22
                If web browsers get fast and featureful enough to deploy fully-fledged applications, then linux will stop being the third-rate, afterthought platform it is now. Photoshop? Office? Games? You bet.

                Bring it on, I say!

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                • #23
                  While Firefox is a good browser, I switched to Opera 9.6 because FF was just so slow at times. Opera is a close competitor with Chrome on that front, just with a whole lot more features.

                  Browsers have to do a whole lot more than they did back in the days of Mosaic and 486 processors. A faster browser just gives a better experience for the user, especially when running on slower hardware.

                  I'm sure this change will improve the experience for a lot of people. Potentially having to go Azure->Cairo->X11 sounds like a nightmare, though, but here's always another option...

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                  • #24
                    with all these things firefox foundation is doing now, i kinda get this feeling

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDthMGtZKa4

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                    • #25
                      I see it is packaged for Arch Linux now so I will install it asap and check it out. How can I tell what the rendering pipeline looks like when it is running and to check whether OpenGL is there?

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