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  • #16
    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
    Too bad, you got it wrong. KDE System Settings can configure the system. In fact it can configure anything for which a KCM is available. Heck, even KPackageKit hooks into KDE System Settings for software management if it's installed.
    I don't know. That was a reply to deanjo's post.

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    • #17
      Clearly we need to take the dbus (namespace) approach.

      You just navigate to the org.kde.DE folder then click org.kde.DE.SystemSettings, or alternately org.freedesktop.Gnome.DE and org.freedesktop.Gnome.DE.SystemSettings

      j/k

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      • #18
        i agree with ben, and i too don't understand why gnome's "control center" name was dismissed.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
          Too bad, you got it wrong. KDE System Settings can configure the system. In fact it can configure anything for which a KCM is available. Heck, even KPackageKit hooks into KDE System Settings for software management if it's installed.
          YaST still does not do desktop settings. It doesn't care if you are running KDE, Gnome, or even command line. Almost every single configuration that you do in KDE System settings is kde user specific. Log out of KDE and those settings are no longer in play. YaST on the other hand handles those settings system wide.

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          • #20
            As KDE occupied this name first, it is ours as a result, and I will
            NOT be relinquishing it to satisfy your personal (selfish) desires,

            (...)

            As KDE System Settings maintainer, I request that you immediately
            rename it once again to another name.
            LOL! Hilarious! The childishness of the KDE developers never ceases to amaze me. 'Activities' revisited (another word they claimed a stake on).

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            • #21
              What else should they call it? It controls system settings, FFS.

              facepalm

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              • #22
                Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                LOL! Hilarious! The childishness of the KDE developers never ceases to amaze me. 'Activities' revisited (another word they claimed a stake on).
                Well, I guess they would be less childish if the GNOME guys hadn't spent the last 10 years reimplementing all their ideas poorly and trying to kill them with FUD in the process.

                But this particular battle is quite childish, yes.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                  LOL! Hilarious! The childishness of the KDE developers never ceases to amaze me. 'Activities' revisited (another word they claimed a stake on).
                  Gnome devs have been just as childish over the years.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by markg85 View Post
                    My proposal as posted on the list:
                    ust a small suggestion on how i think this should be "fixed" (since 2
                    desktop files for one app seems just ugly to me).
                    Perhaps it's better to extend the desktop file specification:
                    http://standards.freedesktop.org/des...t/ar01s05.html

                    And i would propose adding 2 entries:
                    NativeDE - This one holds the desktop environment name where the app
                    would be "native". So GNOME, KDE or whatever.
                    NameNonNative - This one holds the app name when it's shown in a
                    desktop environment that is not native. When not set fallback to
                    "Name"

                    So for example the "System Settings" app in KDE looks somewhat like
                    this in a .desktop file:

                    Name=System Settings
                    NativeDE=KDE
                    NameNonNative=KDE System Settings

                    The same applies for gnome system settings and also for the system
                    monitor (that also has the naming issue)
                    Isn't this a good solution?

                    Regards,
                    Mark
                    I second this.

                    And seriously.
                    KDE should call their system settings
                    KDE System Settings
                    and Gnome should call their system settings
                    GNOME System Settings

                    This is what namespaces are for.
                    Last edited by plonoma; 07-23-2011, 12:32 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Desktop Environment Settings

                      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                      Well, "System Settings" suggests system wide administration. IMO, both KDE and Gnome chose a poor name. It should be "Desktop Environment Settings".
                      YES! i was going to say that they should BOTH choose a different name because both names are STUPID. it should be KDE System Settings and GNOME System Settings.

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                      • #26
                        Both should use "Desktop Settings" as the name.

                        If the technology doesn't support that, then fix it.

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                        • #27
                          1.Both "Settings" fall FAR beyond of simple "Desktop Environment Settings". System Settings is CORRECT.
                          2. However, one desktop environment carries name GNOME, and its "System Settings" is not usable without it; and another is KDE, and again its "System Settings" is not usable without KDE installed.

                          They should name:
                          KDE System Settings
                          and
                          GNOME System Settings

                          and if some DE implements similar:
                          "$DE_Name_Here" System Settings

                          -Resolved?

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                          • #28
                            I think that a major problem would be if the binaries are called the same thing. I don't know how it is handled at the moment, but KDE's app is called "systemsettings".

                            Imagine if Ubuntu released an editor called "gcc".
                            Last edited by pingufunkybeat; 07-23-2011, 02:44 PM.

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                            • #29
                              I am an ardent KDE-fan and see little use for Gnome. But, the sentence

                              As KDE occupied this name first, it is ours as a result, and I will NOT be relinquishing it to satisfy your personal (selfish) desires, which will cause numerous problems for users on both sides.
                              signed by a maintainer named Ben Cooksley is just too much. THAT is not how to contact the Gnome camp and without being a developer for either side I apologize on anyone's behalf for vitriolic statements like that. I don't care if this has a "history" preceded by informal contacts. Any first public reaction should be polite.

                              If this was the first public reaction, in my view that Ben Cooksley may better be removed from being the maintainer as soon as possible, unless he makes a public apology. This is really sad.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by sabriah View Post
                                If this was the first public reaction, in my view that Ben Cooksley may better be removed from being the maintainer as soon as possible, unless he makes a public apology. This is really sad.
                                I think he should be banned from making any public statements on behalf of the KDE project, regardless of whether he will make an apology or not. This is a very bad PR move for KDE.

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