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  • #31
    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    In the world of open source and free choice... manners die?
    the manners of the ximian-gang at novell? Who tried everything to kill KDE in Suse products the moment Novell bought SuSE?

    The less those people have to say anywhere, the better. They turned SuSE into a RHEL clone just to satisfy their egos. Luckily the opensuse community resisted and fought back when Miguel's posse tried to force gnome as default/only desktop.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by energyman View Post
      the manners of the ximian-gang at novell? Who tried everything to kill KDE in Suse products the moment Novell bought SuSE?
      Citation needed.

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      • #33
        Update: Citation Provided.

        Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
        Citation needed.
        http://linux.slashdot.org/story/05/1...rdize-on-GNOME

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        • #34
          "[...] The GNOME interface is going to become the default interface on both the SLES (SuSE Linux Enterprise Server) and Novell Linux Desktop line. KDE libraries will be supplied on both [...]"

          "Killing" would involve dropping all support for KDE. What Novell did was a far cry from that, except in the most callous of minds.

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          • #35
            in a product like SLES changing the default is like killing.

            There was no need, no reason. The ximian gang just wanted it.

            I hope this idiocy is going to be reversed now that they got rid of them.

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            • #36
              Okay, after further digging, it sounds like Apple quietly backed off of the restrictions I was thinking of. When I last heard about it in any detail, they were saying that you were just flat-out not allowed to run any native code that was not originally compiled from C, C++, or Objective-C (meaning that you weren't allowed to do ahead-of-time compilation of other languages, even if it was to one of those languages), and script/bytecode had to be interpreted and not updatable except through updating the app as a whole. Apparently, even Flash apps can be built as iOS apps now; Apple seemingly just doesn't want users running something that allows getting apps somewhere other than the App Store or allows developers to write iOS apps without a Mac involved somewhere.

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              • #37
                Every time I see people discussing how Microsoft isn't that bad, and it won't use its technology to destroy others in a conspiracy theory-like manner, because that's just a silly thing to believe, I just post one particular URL:

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents

                And everyone shuts up. So, please, keep M$ shit away from Linux. Thank you.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by urfe View Post
                  In the world of open source and free choice... manners die?
                  My choice is for suse to concentrate their limited resources on things that are beneficial to me and things that I perceive are more beneficial to the community than Mono. Maybe I should have quoted the post I was resonding to.

                  For all those who seriously thought my last post was an ill-mannered, bigoted, emotional response, I have a real one for you: go fuck yourselves!

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                  • #39
                    In the world of open source and free choice... manners die?
                    Oh, and Miguel de Icaza is hardly the diplomat himself (linuxhater). I don't know about you, but I think it's far worse to be an anonymous coward to cover up your true feelings than to be a bit ill-mannered.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by DanL View Post
                      My choice is for suse to concentrate their limited resources on things that are beneficial to me and things that I perceive are more beneficial to the community than Mono.
                      SUSE should concentrate their resources on things that are beneficial to you?

                      That's some ego you've got their. Hint, SUSE is owned by a for-profit corporation which doesn't really give a damn on anything other than their stock value and (hence) their paying customers. If their customers demand Mono, then Mono it is.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                        SUSE should concentrate their resources on things that are beneficial to you?
                        It would be nice..

                        That's some ego you've got their(sic)
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                        To voice my opinion? That's nothing compared to the shrine of myself I have set up in the bedroom.

                        Hint, SUSE is owned by a for-profit corporation which doesn't really give a damn on anything other than their stock value and (hence) their paying customers. If their customers demand Mono, then Mono it is.
                        Given the community-driven aspect of Linux, I don't think the interests of the money-grubbers and freetards are mutually exclusive in this case.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                          If their customers demand Mono, then Mono it is.
                          Do you have anything that shows Suse customers actually wanting Mono? Novell was in deep financial trouble, their Mono investment wasn't making them any money nor increasing their customer base as far as I can see. They were temporarily saved by Microsoft with the $348 million purchase of SLES subscriptions, in a deal that pretty much made Novell the 'Microsoft sanctioned' Linux company with the patent protection agreement only covering Novell's distributions (an obvious divide and conquer attempt by Microsoft). Seeing that Attachmate disbanded the Mono development so shortly after purchase tells me Mono was anything but profitable.

                          Whatever happens with this new Mono venture, atleast we will know if it is a self-sustainable business (unless it is Microsoft sponsored). I hope it is given the passion with which Miguel and his coworkers are putting in to this development platform.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by XorEaxEax View Post
                            Do you have anything that shows Suse customers actually wanting Mono?
                            Check the monodev list and their bugtracker. There are many customers writing web applications on Mono/SUSE.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by DanL View Post
                              To voice my opinion?
                              Voicing an opinion: "I don't believe Mono is useful".

                              Being obnoxious: "So Novell/Xamarin should obey my wishes and drop it".

                              Given the community-driven aspect of Linux, I don't think the interests of the money-grubbers and freetards are mutually exclusive in this case.
                              Indeed, they probably aren't. Most are indifferent to Mono one way or another. Some find it useful, a few find it useful enough to pay for and a vocal minority just searches for something to bitch about.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                                They used to be, but people like you have long surpassed them. Microsoft doesn't even need to lift a finger. You are harming the community far more efficiently than they ever could, like an autoimmune disease working from the inside.
                                The same Open Source "evangelists" hear from MS, Icaza and some other M$ fanboys. I'm not impressed I heard exactly the same from you. You're FUDing.

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