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  • Phonon 4.5 Supports Logging To Zeitgeist

    Phoronix: Phonon 4.5 Supports Logging To Zeitgeist

    Phonon, the multimedia abstraction library known within the KDE and Qt worlds, has reached version 4.5. The major addition to Phonon 4.5.0 is Zeitgeist support...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTI1NA

  • #2
    This is the funny thing.
    When such engine is opensource - people will question its usability for their case and then will either use it for productivity or disable it.

    But if its implemented in proprietary closed source thing - immediately questions on spying and *logging will appear.

    <happy mode>
    I <3 foss!
    </happy mode>

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    • #3
      I've seen many open source users call open source logging software such as this "spyware".

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      • #4
        I thought Phonon was getting replaced with QtMultimedia? I can't keep up with all of this anymore

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        • #5
          audit(4)

          Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
          I've seen many open source users call open source logging software such as this "spyware".
          so is the audit framework also spyware?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dacresbu View Post
            so is the audit framework also spyware?
            I don't consider them spyware, I was just pointing out that crazycheese's accusation of hypocrisy does not apply universally.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DanL View Post
              I thought Phonon was getting replaced with QtMultimedia? I can't keep up with all of this anymore
              First, no it wasn't. There was a great deal of third-party speculation on this, and perhaps someone on the QtMultimedia side made some premature comments to this effect, but neither the phonon developers, the developers of software using phonon, nor most of the QtMultimedia developers claimed this. I am not sure how this idea got so popular considering there is almost zero actual evidence for the conclusion, and it has been repeatedly dismissed as incorrect by pretty much everyone involved.

              Second, QtMultimedia is a Qt project, while Phonon is primarily a KDE project although it is incorporated into Qt. They were developed and still are developed by different groups with different goals and different priorities.

              Third, Phonon needs to be supported at least for the lifetime of KDE 4. There is a backwards-compatibility guarantee.

              Finally, they are aimed at different roles, with phonon intended to provide a simple and easy-to-use backend-independent wrapper for media players while QtMultimedia designed for two-way media support for smartphones.

              Since QtMultimedia was developed by Nokia for the now-defunct Qt smartphone market and phonon was developed by KDE for the desktop market, if anything QtMultimedia is the one that is going to get the axe.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                I don't consider them spyware, I was just pointing out that crazycheese's accusation of hypocrisy does not apply universally.
                The problem is with black box, users don't mind giving their private data as long as it is crystal clear where its going to head. Little big difference.

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                • #9
                  That's very interesting.
                  A project that's going to be used in both KDE and Gnome.

                  Maybe one day Desktop Environment stuff will land in Linux Standards Base.

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                  • #10
                    There is already a standards body for dekstop stuff, freedesktop.org. The problem is that it is really asymetrical. KDE tends to be quick to implement freedesktop.org standards originating from Gnome, and when they implement a system they use freedesktop.org standards where ever possible.

                    On the other hand Gnome tends to be extremely resistant to implementing freedesktop.org standards originating from KDE. When they need something for which a freedesktop.org standard originating from KDE already exists they usually ignore the standard and implements their own, incompatible system.

                    While not a freedesktop.org standard, this is a good example of the problems. KDE adopts a Gnome technology (zeitgeist) with no complaints in order to encourage cross-desktop compatibility. However, under a similar situation Gnome develops its own entirely new system from scratch (tracker) instead of using the long-existing equivalent KDE system (nepomuk and strigi), hampering cross-desktop compatibility.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by plonoma View Post
                      That's very interesting.
                      A project that's going to be used in both KDE and Gnome.

                      Maybe one day Desktop Environment stuff will land in Linux Standards Base.
                      Are you sure the Phonon is going to be used in Gnome? If yes, it will mean there are people in Gnome camp who want some cooperation, but it's hard to believe.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                        Are you sure the Phonon is going to be used in Gnome? If yes, it will mean there are people in Gnome camp who want some cooperation, but it's hard to believe.
                        I think plonoma was referring to zeitgeist, not phonon,

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheBlackCat View Post
                          ...helpful post...
                          Thanks for the clarification

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                          • #14
                            Zeitgeist isn't a "Gnome"Project b/c it isn't part of the dependencies (of any sort IIRC) and it's not hosted on Gnome infrastructure. The devs of zeitgeist wanted to be part of gnome but didn't want to leave launchpad and the gnome "steering group" didn't see a use, at the time, for zeitgeist. I think the later has probably changed considering the interesting work that has been done with zeitgeist integration in the shell.
                            As for the accusations that Gnome doesn't work cross-desktops I would say that there is a lot of selection bias going around. If someone who has worked extensively in Gnome can show consistent rejection of crossdesktop standards without good reason then I would agree there is something to it.
                            Besides that, however, one needs to consider the differences of Gnome and KDE. Gnome is really a corporate desktop (lots of companies contribute to it) with Red Hat as the main one. It is very boring, easy to use, and simply office oriented. KDE is more hobbyist, IMHO, in that it is almost completely driven by people who just like to program hence why it is more experimental.
                            GS is a massive change, but much less so than was originally planned (read the original design doc written a few years ago to see how little they've altered the vision). It SEEMS that there was a recognition that if this is really going to be the direction of Gnome and if this is to continue to be the primary corporate desktop then they simply can't implement some of the more radical ideas (like adaptive desktops -- frankly, though I think that would be pretty much the holy grail of desktops, I never saw how that could be implemented beyond some trivial things like reordering of icons, resizing of windows, etc. and those things would require the user to really relax and let the computer make the decisions which is really uncomfortable for non-mac users, IMHO).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by liam View Post
                              As for the accusations that Gnome doesn't work cross-desktops I would say that there is a lot of selection bias going around. If someone who has worked extensively in Gnome can show consistent rejection of crossdesktop standards without good reason then I would agree there is something to it.
                              Quick, name all the stuff that has come from KDE that Gnome ended up adopting. Now do the same in reverse. One of those lists is a whole lot longer than the other.

                              It used to be that Gnome devs said they couldn't use anything written in C++. So KDE devs started building common libs in plain C, but they still didn't get accepted.

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