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  • Will The Free Software Desktop Ever Make It?

    Phoronix: Will The Free Software Desktop Ever Make It?

    Luc Verhaegen, the former Novell employee who previously worked on the RadeonHD driver and is known for butting heads with other X developers and making ambitious proposals like modularizing DRI and Mesa drivers, has out a new blog post. In something not too far off from where he said the Linux desktop will be dead if Keith Packard got his way in merging graphics drivers back into the X Server, his new blog post is entitled "This way, the free software desktop is never going to make it."..

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTAxNA

  • #2
    I don't know if it will ever "die" but with issues like Luc was having I can see it going nowhere in a hurry. Let face it, if an old hat like Luc was having difficulty how can we expect the masses to adopt a free desktop without addressing those issues?

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    • #3
      Well, after all, "Linux" is a bunch of different projects thrown together, developed by different people with no central management and no central configuration interface like in every other OS.

      What did he expect? People prefer Windozes and Macs for a reason.

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      • #4
        So, the system was working fine out-of-the-box, but he wanted to use the really really weird "virtual screen" configuration, which is something only used by him and god knows who else and apparently was added back only to appease him, and he claims that something is wrong because such rare option is not well documented and not easy to use?


        WTF...

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        • #5
          I don't know what he's whining about really. At the end he admits he didn't put quotes aroudn something in xorg.conf. Whats the issue here?

          If he just wanted to configure dual screen, Gnome has a nice utility in System->Preferences->Monitors and you can really easily configure it. It took me 2 seconds to do.

          Back in the middle of '09, this guide was really useful in setting up xorg.conf for two screens on the r600 xorg driver when it was still really raw.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by diegocg View Post
            So, the system was working fine out-of-the-box, but he wanted to use the really really weird "virtual screen" configuration, which is something only used by him and god knows who else and apparently was added back only to appease him, and he claims that something is wrong because such rare option is not well documented and not easy to use?


            WTF...
            Lots of people use that. It's even in Windows, available thourgh a simple right-click menu on the desktop.

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            • #7
              Why is this news?

              Known Troll Writes Inflammatory Blog Post, news at 11!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                I don't know if it will ever "die" but with issues like Luc was having I can see it going nowhere in a hurry. Let face it, if an old hat like Luc was having difficulty how can we expect the masses to adopt a free desktop without addressing those issues?
                I agree. While Linux is easy to use if you do not have any problems, it is a nightmare for normal users once something does not work out of the box.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Temar View Post
                  I agree. While Linux is easy to use if you do not have any problems, it is a nightmare for normal users once something does not work out of the box.
                  Hmm... That applies to any OS AFAIK

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                  • #10
                    Unfortunately the best desktop distros are also the ones considered "hard". Desktop linux has been ready for years it's just we don't have any distros which don't both totally suck to use if you know what you're doing, and offer 2 click install for everyone else. The software itself is fine aside from the hard problem of GPU drivers which probably isn't going to be solved for years and years if ever.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
                      Hmm... That applies to any OS AFAIK
                      Yes, but some are a lot easier to handle. The problem is that simple operations like i.e. installing a software are no longer simple if the package is not included in the default repository.

                      Linux fails to make simple things simple.

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                      • #12
                        I used to give Luc the benefit of the doubt. Now I see he's just a troll/whiner. Is the average user really going to be messing with xorg.conf? No. They will use the graphical configuration utilities. Will the average user want the feature Luc wanted to use? No. If an ordinary user accidentally enabled that feature, they would think "Oh no, I broke something".

                        Oh, and "virtual desktop" being available on Windows out of the box? Not in XP, that's for damn sure.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by waucka View Post
                          Oh, and "virtual desktop" being available on Windows out of the box? Not in XP, that's for damn sure.
                          It may not have been "out-of-the box" a decade ago but even if one had to install a 3rd party app it did not mean having to revert to a console or hand editing files. Then again if we look at the state of X back then as well......

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by waucka View Post
                            I used to give Luc the benefit of the doubt. Now I see he's just a troll/whiner. Is the average user really going to be messing with xorg.conf? No. They will use the graphical configuration utilities.
                            Yeah, and they don't work. Then he Googles on how to configure the system and finds arcane stuff to put in X.Org. For example I installed openSUSE and the resolution was wrong. Changing it in KDE's System Settings didn't help; after a reboot, it was back to 1600x1200. The changes wouldn't stick. And even if they did, the login screen would still be in the wrong resolution.

                            There goes your GUI configuration.

                            Oh, and "virtual desktop" being available on Windows out of the box? Not in XP, that's for damn sure.
                            So? It's in 7.

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                            • #15
                              Can we talk about something more boring?

                              I used to discuss this topic in slashdot ... what, 10 years ago? We made, we already made it. Most hardware today works in linux out of the box. Two out of three graphics manufacturers support linux with open source drivers, and the third at least provides binary support. Linux can be installed a lot more easily than windows, and provides an awful lot of functionality. And virtualization can help feed the void, otherwise.

                              Emerging technologies are embracing Linux, including desktop linux, projects such as meego, and even the android revolution is open source and linux based. Chrome laptops are around the corner.

                              Despite all that, it looks like linux won'r replace windows massively, not out of lack of anything, but really because people want what they know. Whatever.

                              The one thing we are missing, and to me is kind of silly, is to enable android in the linux desktop. People should be able to buy/download android apps. Ubuntu started a serious effort to do that a couple years back, but it never really happened. Quite a lost opportunity. Ubuntu could be offered in tablets as "android in steroids". Oh well.

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