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  • The GNOME 3.0 Shell Is Advancing Too

    Phoronix: The GNOME 3.0 Shell Is Advancing Too

    Last night an update was published as to the state of Unity in Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha 1, which is the Unity desktop interface that Canonical will be using in their next Ubuntu release rather than the GNOME Shell. Most all other GNOME distributions, however, will be using the GNOME Shell with GNOME 3.0 when released in March. As it so happens, another development snapshot of the GNOME Shell arrived last night too...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODg0MQ

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    The worst thing I've encountered in gnome-shell is the horrible "flat application menu." The lack of categorical organization, and the severely truncated application names, means you're literally left to guess if you've got two or more applications whose name begins with the same letters.

    I.e. Armagetron and Armagetron-Server, or if you've got Picasa for linux installed along side Picasa under Wine.

    I've actually spent minutes hunting for the application I need, only to become frustrated enough with gnome-shell to give up, and restart err... "gnome-classic."

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    • #3
      what i feel they are trying to do with shell is take the current desktop experience and put it under a layer

      this adds clicks, scroll/navigate time etc and it is plainly wrong and stupid

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
        what i feel they are trying to do with shell is take the current desktop experience and put it under a layer

        this adds clicks, scroll/navigate time etc and it is plainly wrong and stupid
        Agreed. Here's an experiment to try, that will illustrate your point.

        Take a screenshot of the shell Application Menu overlay. That's it. Just open the Application menu, and press PrtSc (or whatever) key. The resulting screenshot dialog window won't appear on top of the menu. You have to click out of the overlay to get to the screenshot dialog.

        In fact, how dialogs (and apps launched from the notification area of the top panel) are handled is very inconsistent. But then, I have no idea how dialogs should be handled when you're in the overlay, because as you suggest, the desktop is buried under it.

        Ugh.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
          it is plainly wrong and stupid
          Then don't use it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW View Post
            Then don't use it.
            I agree. Don't use it. FOSS is all about options. And also, keep pointing out the faults and shortcomings. And, feel free to vent your frustrations about obvious or non-obvious problems with gnome-shell or whatever other software.

            And remember above all, you were invited to this forum to discuss the subject of the article. Discussion, including criticism, is good. Cheers!

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            • #7
              just like kde4.0 it will probably be missing tons of usability options on first release.

              I would not really use it on a daily basis, till after 2 extra major releases.

              meanwhile it will still be "stable" and some may be able to use it on a daily if they dont mind the limitations unlike kde4.0 which was not even stable enough at the time.

              Anyway, what i like is the good competition between this and unity. The standards are getting higher and higher

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW View Post
                Then don't use it.
                of course i wont

                its just sad to try to "innovate" for the sake of new and different

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                  of course i wont

                  its just sad to try to "innovate" for the sake of new and different
                  What a strange thing to say. People trying to be new and different is how progress is made - they don't always succeed, but you'll never get anywhere if they didn't try.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Delgarde View Post
                    What a strange thing to say. People trying to be new and different is how progress is made - they don't always succeed, but you'll never get anywhere if they didn't try.
                    lets make a new and different wheel. we'll make it hexagonal.

                    joking apart the shell and what they are trying to do (design wise) has OBVIOUS faults and makes things more difficult

                    the purpose of a desktop is to let you finish the task you want in the quickest/easier way and only this.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                      lets make a new and different wheel. we'll make it hexagonal.
                      As i said, they don't always succeed (although even the failures can be educational). But if they didn't try at all, where would we be?

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                      • #12
                        Who needs Gnome 3?

                        Gnome 2 is horribly bugged and slow. So, what do the Gnome developers do about it? Instead of fixing the bugs, they write new code which will result in an even more bugged and slower Gnome.

                        Do they think that Gnome 2 is a solid and reliable product? Is there anybody that can explain them what a solid and reliable product is? Or at least a product that does not upset you constantly with its defect?

                        Don't you, Gnome developers, think that maybe there are people which are happy using a stable system that is good enough to make some work done? Which in most cases consists simply in surfing the web or editing a file?
                        People who, for instance, are perfectly satisfied with Explorer-as-in-Windows-XP and do not know what to do with Explorer-as-in-Vista/7 or Plasma or some other eye candy desktop?

                        What good can came for a change just for the sake of it, or, as they put it, because it looks 'old'?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                          lets make a new and different wheel. we'll make it hexagonal.
                          You mean make them rubber -> rubber with air -> bearings -> anti slip texture?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                            You mean make them rubber -> rubber with air -> bearings -> anti slip texture?
                            Quite true - a modern tyre isn't actually round at all, but an approximation, balancing smoothness of ride (triangular = bad) with the need to grip the road surface (perfectly round = frictionless). Thus, a structure that deforms under weight to increase contact surface, grooves to channel water away, etc. Hey, looks like this "reinventing the wheel" stuff is more complex than it sounds...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fermo111 View Post
                              Gnome 2 is horribly bugged and slow.
                              Largely a matter of opinion. I won't deny that it has bugs - no software can claim otherwise - but it's been stable enough and responsive enough for me to happily use for many years now. And I'm sure for every person like you complaining about it, there's many people like me with no major complaints.

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