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  • #16
    Originally posted by _txf_ View Post
    Well, If people make utterly foolish and uninformed statements they should maybe expect to get tweaked a little bit.
    Calling people idiots is still out of line. For some reasons IT forums tend to go that way, at least in my experience. It might be interesting to correlate that with the average age of the users. The sad thing is that this is not doing justice towards the majority of polite poeple subscribed.

    Originally posted by _txf_ View Post
    Regarding cpu usage. If you dislike it so much why not just remove it. Or there are plenty of distros that have minimal interfaces. Or maybe look into what is broken and try to look for a fix?
    I would like it if it worked. But tracker has never consistently worked for me since it exists in Ubuntu. It did work for a while in Maverick, but behaves now as I described. The log files aren't helpful either. I'm using this system for my job, and don't want to fiddle around with it too much. Also I won't remove package which are part of the ubuntu-desktop metapackage. And I won't install another DE, for that matter.

    Actually, all I wanted to share is that in my experience these desktop tools are not always as mature as they are advertised. Again, that's my observation and I'm happy for everyone who has made better experiences.

    Originally posted by _txf_ View Post
    The indexing systems under OSX and windows tend to work rather well these days as do the ones on linux (on most circumstances).
    What have the Windows or OS X indexing systems to do with Linux? This statement is noise.


    • #17
      Originally posted by yesterday View Post
      hey, the filesystem also keeps track of files i have and files when they were accessed. Zomg!!! Privacy!!!!

      Open office has a list of recently opened documents. Zomg!!!! Privacy!!!

      Firefox has a history of sites i browse. Zomg!!! Privacy!!!

      Anyone who thinks that this has privacy implications should stay indoors.
      I agree 100% with you, those apps are going to kill our privacy. That's why I don't browser the Web, don't use office apps, don't use a filesystem, don't ... use computers!


      • #18
        Originally posted by dargllun View Post
        What have the Windows or OS X indexing systems to do with Linux? This statement is noise.
        It's not noise, isn't this thread about Zeitgeist, related to indexing systems?

        The ones in Linux don't work as they should, are slow, use much memory, etc. But in Mac OS X and (now) Windows and they work.


        • #19
          Originally posted by anbog View Post
          Though I don't believe my computer to be a fortress, I'm sure have no (real) idea how far cracking/hacking/ect has come. Where can I go to read good/current info on computer/network security? Something readable for the average linux user, interested in the topic with no intend to learn neither how to crack others system nor go through a lot of work to secure his/her own..
          The internet. No realy. There are sooooo many holes and ways that it isn't funny anymore. Let me just go ahead and say that you can't secure your computer if you hook it up to the internet. But there are some ways to make drive-by cracking realy hard.

          First of all do not use a router, just a modem. Let your Linux box do the routing for you, if you must. An example for Fedora users:

          Never use 'tested crap' like Ubuntu. Always use the latest incarnation of the software you want to run.

          Get rid of x86 to avoid nasty hardware cracks. I know; I won't do that either.

          Another funny fact is the BIOS. It is by far the biggest secutiry hole almost nobody knows about. Did you know, and you can digg through Coreboot documentation for yourself, that the BIOS program never stops running? No realy; it's inside part of your RAM that your OS can't read out and it has NETWORK ACCESS and it allows you to read ALL YOUR RAM. So make sure you have a motherboard with two BIOSES and regularly trash the rewritable BIOS. To avoid bootsector virusses, get a BIOS program that blocks from writing the MBR unless you allow it at OS instalation.

          Then there is something called package sniffing. Oh don't worry; while wireless is just a local problem, the internet is a worldwide one.

          Never stumble upon a comment of someone that inject malicious text. Oh don't worry; just use your crystal ball to avoid the problem.

          Use an internet browser that nobody uses and that is so obscure that you can't load any websites at all.


          You've got to ask yourself why you want to protect your computer from being hacked in the first place.

          If you want nobody to read your secret files than don't place them on your computer, or make a seperate partition that is by design not accesable with your installed OS and load up a live usb/cd that can mount it and doesn't have an ethernet driver onboard.

          If you fear about others knowing what you do then disable history stuff like Zeitgeist and remove that mic/webcam.

          If you want to do banking stuff than run the latest Lynx with cryptography.

          If you just want to solely control your own computer for controlling sake then GLHF.

          Bottomline here is: use your PC as if everyone around you was watching over your sholder. Simply accept that privacy is no longer.


          • #20
            Originally posted by yesterday View Post
            Hey, the filesystem also keeps track of files I have and files when they were accessed. ZOMG!!! Privacy!!!!
            Except pretty much everyone has atime turned off these days because it's such a performance killer: and a disk killer if you're using an SSD. And anyone of clue encrypts the disk.

            Open Office has a list of recently opened documents. ZOMG!!!! Privacy!!!
            Yeah, about ten of them.

            Firefox has a history of sites I browse. ZOMG!!! Privacy!!!
            Mine doesn't. Firefox also has 'private browsing' mode which doesn't keep any history.

            Anyone who thinks that this has privacy implications should stay indoors.
            Anyone who doesn't think this could turn out to be a security nightmare should probably stick to running Windows.

            To give an obvious example with Linux as it currently exists, if I'm not logged in no-one can tell what files are in my home directory because it's encrypted. But if the locate database builder happesn to run while I'm logged in then those files will be listed in the locate database... while names aren't much use by themselves, they do at least tell an attacker which encrypted folders are worth trying to break into.

            Storing things you don't need to store is simply a really bad idea if you care about security in the slightest.


            • #21
              Bottomline here is: use your PC as if everyone around you was watching over your sholder. Simply accept that privacy is no longer.
              Oh fuck that. I and my tinfoil hat shall never accept that.


              • #22
                Originally posted by curaga View Post
                Oh fuck that. I and my tinfoil hat shall never accept that.
                I don't have a tinfoil hat you insen-...

                But all joking aside, we (or at least 99% of the western population) li e in a different time. Things have changed dramatically. We post our every move on Social networks and there's a lot of recognision for nearly everything. We should rethink privacy. What is it actualy and what is it for?

                Kids these days at the age of 12 are getting laid almost after they got to become sexualy active. Yeah I'm tooootaly sure your kid would neeever do that... They exchange the story with all details with their friends afterwards. So realy what is privacy? Knowing something about yourself that others don't. Why is that good for? Hiding your own wrongdoing? Maybe. But knowledge is power. So it is fear from government? Yet not a single privacy activist is starting a revolution. The only ones doing it is Wikileaks. So why aren't you? Because you don't truely believe in the cause.


                • #23
                  Meh... all this indexing of information, but they can't seem to index their own "Help Center." Seriously it hasn't worked since like KDE 2.something. Really. It literally has a UI for a broken feature and it really has been that way for a very long time. They should just scrap the whole Help Center thing anyway because Google is what people use. Especially if no one is interested in developing it.

                  One would think they could use Strigi for that, but unfortunately it seems to be all tied up in the Nepomuk crap that no one wants because it's such a resource hog. People notice the resource drain but don't notice the feature gain, basically.

                  It really seems funny that all this development time is being spent on indexing information but you can't search the documentation ships with KDE with such tools.

                  Oh and if I open up Dolphin and use the "Find File" tool, it's not a lick faster at finding a file. Yeah the past two days that your computer couldn't sleep because Strigi was indexing? All that processing didn't seem to produce anything useful because your KDE search tool apparently has to crawl the files and folders itself to get the job done.

                  Don't get me wrong, I'm hard over on the KDE side of the desktop gauge. No offense to the Gnome crowd, despite having a perfectly fine development toolkit, I just don't like the UIs exposed to me as an end user for most GTK applications. Conversely, QT/KDE applications typically have a great UIs despite what seemingly is an increasingly fucked up development toolkit.

                  I just think that some of the stuff they do is a bit crazy, off target, and genuinely not useful. If you're going to add that kind of complexity then the user shouldn't feel like nothing was lost when they turn it off and FORGET ABOUT IT (which is what most KDE users seem to be doing).

                  Good software is at least useful or fun. If it's neither people will look at you funny and rant on forums.