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  • Beta 2 Of The Enlightenment Foundation Libraries

    Phoronix: Beta 2 Of The Enlightenment Foundation Libraries

    A month ago there was the 1.0 beta release of the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries, which are the software libraries created to help in the development of the E17 desktop. EFL 1.0 also marks a point of API/ABI stability and is being used by projects outside of E17 proper, such as with Samsung's Enlightenment usage. Today the second beta of the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries is now available...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODc4Mg

  • #2
    how "complete" is e17 at this point from an application POV??? (ie media players etc.)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
      how "complete" is e17 at this point from an application POV??? (ie media players etc.)
      native apps i mean

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      • #4
        What native apps are you referring to? Not really sure what you mean there - it's not it's own OS, or emacs. Eclipse, firefox, pidgin, all run fine for me under it. Still a few bugs here & there of course, but it's been quite useable for some time now.

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        • #5
          native as in native toolkit ie apps written using EFL/Elementary

          for example is there an EFL frontend for mplayer, frontend for networkmanager, frontend for telepathy a media player etc???

          i assume that this kind of work will start (if at all) after they release 1.0

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          • #6
            The whole point of this release is that they're fairly certain the ABI/APIs are stable. Apps written against the EFL should be good to go.
            As for actual apps made - well I've never been one to go for front ends where I could avoid it. However when I've time I do mean to have a look at exchange.enlightenment.org - seems to be a bit of what you're after there.

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            • #7
              we don't have a lot of programs, actually, as we focus on the release. We have a music player, a video player (based on xine or gstreamer), I'm writing a multi-document viewer (actually, the library, someone else is working on the GUI), a photo viewer, a photo manager, a media center, an Identi.ca client, a game, and other tools. Of course, there is Enlightenment itself.

              The small number of apps shows that we are lacking of manpower. So if you want to contribute, you are more than welcome

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              • #8
                Great! I like E17/DR17, but with the rise of compositing and SVG; is Enlightenment not getting a bit behind the times? I remember them saying that they won't do 3D...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vtorri View Post
                  we don't have a lot of programs, actually, as we focus on the release. We have a music player, a video player (based on xine or gstreamer), I'm writing a multi-document viewer (actually, the library, someone else is working on the GUI), a photo viewer, a photo manager, a media center, an Identi.ca client, a game, and other tools. Of course, there is Enlightenment itself.

                  The small number of apps shows that we are lacking of manpower. So if you want to contribute, you are more than welcome
                  sadly my coding skills are not good enough to get involved in projects

                  however if you need an icon or something like that for your projects i might be able to help

                  shoot a pm if you are interested

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 89c51 View Post
                    sadly my coding skills are not good enough to get involved in projects

                    however if you need an icon or something like that for your projects i might be able to help

                    shoot a pm if you are interested
                    We also need people for the website, so, icons, design, etc..

                    feel free to join our irc chan #edevelop@freenode

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                      Great! I like E17/DR17, but with the rise of compositing and SVG; is Enlightenment not getting a bit behind the times? I remember them saying that they won't do 3D...
                      This is either spreading FUD or being naive.

                      SVG is just another image format. We do have SVG loaders.

                      We also have composite support, with 2 implementations. A compiz port called ecomorph (3rd party) and a native module called "comp". Comp is actually a super-nice example of the power of our technology: you can run it even with the software backend on older machines, or use the GL if it works for you. You can't find any good software compositor over there, however our is using Evas and thus super fast, and it will use mmx/sse/altivec/neon if you have those.

                      3D is not our focus, really. We use GL (also GL-ES 2.0) ourselves, we can do transformations like rotation, perspective and all, but over 2d shapes (rectangles, images, polygons...). There is no "load this 3d studio file" or "create this mesh of vertexes".

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                      • #12
                        That reminds me, I have to try track down why the opengl mode of the comp module doesn't work for me. Not that I use composite stuff much (don't go in for the fancy effects - find them too distracting) but E17 does have some very nice features available (and by E17 I mean the libraries and window manager / desktop shell / whatever-you-want-to-call-it).

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                        • #13
                          @barbieri

                          Do you mean the software rasterizer, or does comp run entirely without opengl?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by curaga View Post
                            @barbieri

                            Do you mean the software rasterizer, or does comp run entirely without opengl?
                            comp module runs on top of evas, that has a multiple backends: software, opengl, opengl-es, xrender... As xrender is beated hands down in most of tests to software, it's not even in use, but all the others may be used by our module.

                            You can understand this as a rasterizer.

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                            • #15
                              Hey I'm not trying to spread FUD. In fact I made it my default session on my dead written 660mHz Celeron EeePC and everything runs so fast now that I decided to use it again! I am so happy about that. It beats the shit out of Openbox!

                              I must say E17 has evolved greatly since my last try! The only thing that sucks about it is that nothing is EFL based so every app I run looks horrible in comparison

                              I would love to see a lightweight EFL Webkit browser that launched stuff like Flash video and audio in a seperate app so that when I click on a YouTube video it runs in a YouTube app. That would make my year. Also a simple Facebook app, Google maps app, Google search widget and (already in the making) a document viewer. It would make me ditch KDE even. Not joking

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