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  • #16
    Originally posted by madman2k View Post
    they dont. their patches enable the use of their notification system if available - if not it falls back to gnome default.
    If you dont want the ubuntu notifications you can simply replace their daemon with the default.
    Then let's hope it stays that way.

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    • #17
      old news:

      it will be compiz instead of mutter for unity:

      http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2010/...re-for-compiz/

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Ragas View Post
        Why the hell would you do that?! Kubuntu is packaged even worse than Ubuntu.
        For KDE at least use SUSE
        The day Suse uses apt with deb packages and get based on Debian, then I might use it, and I don't think I'm the only one to think like that. Until then, no dice.

        I was considering at least trying Gnome Shell before deciding switching distros, but there's not even that option left. Time to go back to plain Debian, since even if I could easily revert to a normal desktop with Ubuntu or get used to Gnome Shell, I still wouldn't be using the supported desktop, and then no point in contributing any more (and thus no advantage over plain Debian and its schizophrenic development practices).

        Unity is a monstrosity, even if they made it usable for 11.04 it still wouldn't be archaic while not as elegant and simple as WindowMaker (or any 10 years old NextStep clone).

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        • #19
          Originally posted by miles View Post
          The day Suse uses apt with deb packages and get based on Debian, then I might use it, and I don't think I'm the only one to think like that. Until then, no dice.
          And why would .deb be better than RPM?
          Why is apt better than zypper?
          Why should openSUSE become yet another immature Debian Unstable snapshot distro?

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          • #20
            deb eat rpm on breakfast

            mandriva have other format than fedora etc.. not compatible, both rpm.

            i love gnome DE and debian packages, nothing force me to move

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ragas View Post
              Why the hell would you do that?! Kubuntu is packaged even worse than Ubuntu.
              For KDE at least use SUSE
              Why the hell would you do that?! Suse is packaged even worse than Jurix.
              For KDE at least use $DISTRO_THAT_INCLUDES_OLDER_VERSION_OF_KDE_AND_SMA LLER_COMMUNITY_USING_BASE_PACKAGES

              Thanks for the suggestion though. I'm downloading openSUSE now to see how it has changed since I last used it; the current version apparently has you liking it a lot.

              Your disparaging remarks about the Kubuntu packaging may have been true with some previous version, but I think you might like the current one if you give it a chance.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW View Post
                And why would .deb be better than RPM?
                Why is apt better than zypper?
                Why should openSUSE become yet another immature Debian Unstable snapshot distro?
                Debian doesn't use rpm, so deb>rpm. Point.

                Debian is the only distribution that's been consistently there and high quality for the 16+ years I've been using Linux. The rest went from worst to acceptable, then back to worst, then acceptable for those that are still around. I've done the Red Hat/Mandriva/Suse dance enough, and always come back to Debian or one of those "immature Debian Unstable snapshot distro", which are still in a far better shape, in great part thanks to Debian. I keep reading their forums from time to time, and the latter are still not there. Last year I went and checked what problems people had with Open Suse and Wacom tablets, since I'm interested in the "competition", and the howtos were so retarded I laughed to no end.

                If Debian development wasn't so autistic, I wouldn't even have tried spin-offs, but at least for Ubuntu they did great in trying to fixing that thorn in Debian's side.

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                • #23
                  And just got annouced that it's definite.
                  http://arstechnica.com/open-source/n...buntu-1104.ars

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW View Post
                    After reading http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/17...admits-it.html I'm convinced that this move is solely because Canonical own full copyrights to Unity and can license it to OEMs in order to allow them to create proprietary variants (eg. unchangeable branding, forced ads, or so).

                    I doubt that Canonical on its own can produce a better shell than the entire GNOME community.

                    Glad i switched to Archlinux/KDE last year. Canonical/Ubuntu creeps me out.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by FreeBooteR69 View Post
                      Glad i switched to Archlinux/KDE last year. Canonical/Ubuntu creeps me out.
                      I did the same this summer for same reason.

                      I was actually considering SuSe (because of good KDE support), but last time I used it, it had very slow package manager. Given the fact that last year I tried Fedora, and its yum was very slow on my machine, I concluded that it must be something wrong with the RPM format, as I haven't seen any fast RPM package manager so far (I tried Fedora, SuSe and Mandriva). Debian APT is quite faster, but it's still very slow compared to Arch's pacman.

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                      • #26
                        Guys, the performance problems of Unity where due to using Mutter which will no longer be used and they did the first Unity with a small team in just 6 months and it is pretty good for that. Now they have a huge team working on just improving Unity to make it shine really bright. They even hired smspillaz, the well known Compiz developer and will use the Compiz rewrite (0.9 and later) for Unity.

                        Hate him if you want, but they know what they're doing as they had to think about Gnome-panel vs. Gnome-shell vs. Unity for a long time now.

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                        • #27
                          Ubuntu is full of stupid decisions lately, starting with this multitouch effort and now this. For me its easy, just change distro. Hopefully there will be an Ubuntu fork that uses the default gnome desktop.

                          But what about simple users who do not know or care about all that ? Only lately some people started to know Linux and Gnome, and getting used to this desktop and now its about to change again.

                          I hope they won't go through with this effort, its pure stupidity

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by iznogood View Post
                            Hopefully there will be an Ubuntu fork that uses the default gnome desktop.
                            It's called Debian ;-)

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                            • #29
                              People, Unity desktop edition won't be like UNE's Unity. It will use Compiz and other elements.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by d2kx View Post
                                Guys, the performance problems of Unity where due to using Mutter which will no longer be used and they did the first Unity with a small team in just 6 months and it is pretty good for that. Now they have a huge team working on just improving Unity to make it shine really bright. They even hired smspillaz, the well known Compiz developer and will use the Compiz rewrite (0.9 and later) for Unity.

                                Hate him if you want, but they know what they're doing as they had to think about Gnome-panel vs. Gnome-shell vs. Unity for a long time now.
                                I agree that the performance of mutter in its current state is abysmal compared to compiz, this is a well known fact. So no sane distro is shipping gnome-shell/mutter as default because it's simply not ready yet. Only Canonical decided to ship unity/mutter with their netbook edition, despite mutter's well known problems. So they should take the responsibility for it and not resort to KDE/Kwin tactics of blaming upstream for their own cock-ups. In the light of this unity/mutter disaster I'm not sure how exactly you can come to the conclusion that they (canonical) know what they are doing.

                                Anyway cheerios to the compiz devs, as right know they seem to be the only ones that can actually make a compositing manager with good performance.

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