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  • #16
    I did take the Gnome-Shell for a spin in Fedora, but the workflow almost made me cry; it was as efficient as Windows XP when working with multiple adds. A copy board would ease this, but hey, why do it right when you can fsck it up?

    Futhermore evrrything in KDE is minimalistic. There are more features than KDE3, but way less in your face clutter. The new theme is pretty much without color, so the wallpaper determines your theme and it doesn't visualy get in your way at all, unlike Gnome. There is also less verticle space wasting and the size scales to your resolution. The graphics are picture perfect vector graphics and non-distracting. The artwork is full of depth that also doesn't get in your way. The WM is state of the art, which can't be said for mutter. The apps are feature-rich and every app has feature I use that are not availble on GTK+ apps.

    Overal KDE SC 4.4.5 just screams quality. Gnome feels extremely amateuristic, as if it was made for the elderly who never touched a computer before. And Gnome-Shell feels like a Nintendo console; pretty cool, but gimmick trash.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Apopas View Post
      And I wondered how many posts would be needed for a KDE vs Gnome war to start...
      Indeed, lol.

      I actually skipped the thread, not expecting anything interesting in such a minor release, but then I remembered that there will be a juicy flamewar and those are funny

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      • #18
        Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
        Anyway, for those who wonder, see you in April when GNOME will REVOLUTIONISE the desktop metaphor instead of blindly copying Windows...
        Yeah, they will revolutionise it by blindly copying KDE instead

        OK, I'm sorry, I won't do it again.

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        • #19
          @PingyFunkyBeat,
          What do you think I'm this thread for

          BTW BlackStar is pretty late to the party =P

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          • #20
            Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
            Also the current KDE doesn't resemble any Windows theme, including Windows 7, except for the 'hide the systray' icon. I feel Windows 7 basically copied the KDE 3.5 kicker. The 'start menu' with the search function was pretty much introduced before Vista and the same thing goes for the widgets.
            That is simply not true. KDE 4 is increasingly resembling Windows 7 (which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

            E.g. Transparent blue panel by default; largely blue theme in general, new systray as you mentioned with gray scale icons, Windows 7 style edge of desktop actions (snap to left half, snap to right half etc.)

            There are differences yes, but the inspirations are obvious and the timing of the change from black theme to transparent blue theme was suspicious at best.

            I like KDE 4 - but credit where credit is due.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by TheCycoONE View Post
              That is simply not true. KDE 4 is increasingly resembling Windows 7 (which isn't necessarily a bad thing.)

              E.g. Transparent blue panel by default; largely blue theme in general, new systray as you mentioned with gray scale icons, Windows 7 style edge of desktop actions (snap to left half, snap to right half etc.)
              I don't know what you are talking about, but it is clearly not KDE4.

              I've done a clean install (with a clean account) of vanilla KDE 4.5.1 a couple of weeks ago, and there is no blue transparent panel anywhere, and the edge actions were there long before Windows 7 was out.

              There are differences yes, but the inspirations are obvious and the timing of the change from black theme to transparent blue theme was suspicious at best.
              Which distribution introduced the transparent blue theme?

              KDE did switch from the black theme (Oxygen) to a white theme (Air) sometime around 4.3 or 4.4, but this had more to do with people not liking the black theme (complaining that it looked like Vista, although it was older than Vista), so they went back to classic KDE colours used in KDE 2 and KDE 3.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                BTW BlackStar is pretty late to the party =P
                He is losing his touch.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                  I don't know what you are talking about, but it is clearly not KDE4.

                  I've done a clean install (with a clean account) of vanilla KDE 4.5.1 a couple of weeks ago, and there is no blue transparent panel anywhere, and the edge actions were there long before Windows 7 was out.


                  Which distribution introduced the transparent blue theme?

                  KDE did switch from the black theme (Oxygen) to a white theme (Air) sometime around 4.3 or 4.4, but this had more to do with people not liking the black theme (complaining that it looked like Vista, although it was older than Vista), so they went back to classic KDE colours used in KDE 2 and KDE 3.
                  Seriously-are you colorblind? Because default KDE 4.5 IS BLUE.

                  No point trying to argue with KDE fanbois, if they had taste, they wouldn't use KDE anyway

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                  • #24
                    Here

                    http://kde.org/announcements/4.5/scr...-general45.png

                    It is White-blue... Not exactly like Win 7, but close... Especially if you consider the timing of this change...

                    BTW: What an ugly GUI...

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by TemplarGR View Post
                      Seriously-are you colorblind? Because default KDE 4.5 IS BLUE.
                      No, it's light grey with a slight bluish tint.

                      Light grey has been the KDE colour since KDE2. KDE1 user a middle-grey tone, which was more similar to Windows.

                      This is a blue panel: http://keemanxp.com/blog/wp-content/...-7-desktop.jpg

                      THIS is a light grey panel, very similar to the KDE2 and KDE3 colour: http://static.arstechnica.net/kde45b_ars.png

                      If you claim that these are the same, then you are the colourblind one.

                      BTW, Blue has been the de-facto KDE colour since KDE2. The vanilla icon themes and wallpapers have always been blue, and the default widgets were light grey. Even if they made a blue panel (and they didn't), it is not stealing from Windows, who started with white, went to medium grey, then to some brownish tint, then to black, and now to blue.

                      But since GNOME fanboys have invested so much effort into convincing the world that KDE looks like Windows, they will go to great lengths to convince themselves that sticking with light grey = copying windows, because windows went from dark grey to blue.

                      Whatever rocks your boat. I can't wait for april when the desktop is revolutionised by a port of plasma to pure C and a window manager that can do 3d

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                        Hey, the new revolutionary Gno-....!

                        No... still light years behind KDE....
                        Lol, since when KDE is years ahead? Tell me what i can't do in gnome, that i can do in kde? Where is all the awesomeness of kde? Compiz copy/paste effects, windows aero like theme (lol and they called it AIR, aero and air, aint that something similar?). No really, aside all that qt awesomeness bullshit (non-programmers or non-geeks don't even care about that) could u show me where kde is soo superior compared to gnome? Please mister troll, tell me.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by phoen1x View Post
                          Lol, since when KDE is years ahead?
                          Since 1996.

                          Tell me what i can't do in gnome, that i can do in kde?
                          Tell me one thing you can do in gnome today that I couldn't do in kde 2 8 years ago

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                          • #28
                            Never used gnome 1.x or kde 1.x and i bet u haven't tried them too, so please cut the crap trolling kid.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                              Tell me one thing you can do in gnome today that I couldn't do in kde 2 8 years ago
                              phoen1x asked first, and was responding to claim made by V!ncent that current KDE4 is "light years" ahead, so your statement about kde2 is missing the point (even if you're trying to make another one).

                              BTW, I primarily use xfce.

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                              • #30
                                To everyone that has been living under a rock; GUI's are going back to gray tones, with slight color added to it. KDE is even evolving the GUI design after we went back from textures to 'tatoos'. This is not just the desktop, but universal.

                                As usual; Gnome is ages behind the times. Gnome now has this human skin kind of color which has been the default Windows XP style. Welcome to yesterday! But don't worry; they'll upgrade to Vista's piano black with the Gnome-Shell. Maybe they'll go glossy and back after that

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