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    Phoronix: KDE SC 4.7 May Utilize OpenGL 3.x For Compositing

    We're just days away from the release of KDE SC 4.5, but details are now surfacing from Martin Graesslin about his planned KWin compositing changes in the KDE SC 4.6 and 4.7 releases. Compositing in KDE SC 4.6 should be much faster, support mobile rendering using OpenGL ES 1.1/2.0, and potentially offer a stable ABI. With KDE SC 4.7 is where we're looking at the KDE world to potentially begin tapping OpenGL 3.0 for a better compositing experience...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODQ1Ng

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    What does this mean if graphics drivers or cards don't support the standard?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by atmartens View Post
      What does this mean if graphics drivers or cards don't support the standard?
      The blog says:
      My abstraction for VBO is able to fall back to legacy rendering if VBOs are not available (very unlikely), which gives us just one high level API call to do legacy, normal and modern (forward compatible) rendering.
      So I guess this means that if the driver doesn't handle it the current (legacy) mode will be used. And if even this isn't posible there is still XRender mode I guess.

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      • #4
        KDE, always two steps ahead of any other GUI on the planet, including Windows and Mac OS X

        Where will KDE be 3 years from now? Oh boy excitement

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        • #5
          I wish it would be only some instructions from OpenGL 3.0 which even older cards (not OpenGL 3.0 compiliant) and drivers could handle (in hardware acceleration).

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          • #6
            What does KWin gain from OpenGL 3? The blog post doesn't say.

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            • #7
              Compositing in KDE SC 4.6 should be much faster,
              There's a space for improvement. Compiz is much faster in some things right now. Btw. great article, good to see it's not a few liner only.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                KDE, always two steps ahead of any other GUI on the planet, including Windows and Mac OS X

                Where will KDE be 3 years from now? Oh boy excitement
                Cool story... NOT. Amature looking gui is ahead osx? What were u smoking? Technology might be not bad, but the look of kde stuff is so damn ugly, they should hire REAL designers.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phoen1x View Post
                  Cool story... NOT. Amature looking gui is ahead osx? What were u smoking? Technology might be not bad, but the look of kde stuff is so damn ugly, they should hire REAL designers.
                  I like the design, but firefox and eclipse are a real pain!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Koorac View Post
                    I like the design, but firefox and eclipse are a real pain!
                    Then blame gtk.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by phoen1x View Post
                      Cool story... NOT. Amature looking gui is ahead osx? What were u smoking? Technology might be not bad, but the look of kde stuff is so damn ugly, they should hire REAL designers.
                      I love these bold statements.

                      For what it's worth, my girlfriend is a real designer, and she uses a Mac. She has refused to use Linux for the last 10 years because it was too ugly and not usable.

                      KDE 4.2 finally changed her mind and she enjoys using it.

                      It is a really mature and solid desktop where everything fits together, put together after 10 years of collected experience. For me, it was the first time that I've felt that the Linux desktop surpassed the commercial offerings in terms of polish (I've always preferred the Unix way, but it was objectively rough around the edges in many respects).

                      You should try using it on a distribution which actually cares -- or installing from source and adapting it to your use. A bunch of people only know Ubuntu, and then they use the occasional KDE app which then doesn't fit in because it wasn't Ubuntified and then draw conclusions. If you use the KDE desktop the way it's meant to be used, it's a fantastic, stable, integrated, modern and slick experience. KDE 4.5 is what a Unix desktop should look like in the 21st century.

                      Every time I use a default Ubuntu GNOME desktop, I feel like I'm travelling 5 years back in time.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pingufunkybeat View Post
                        For what it's worth, my girlfriend is a real designer, and she uses a Mac. She has refused to use Linux for the last 10 years because it was too ugly and not usable.

                        KDE 4.2 finally changed her mind and she enjoys using it.
                        Yeah I can say a similar thing about my sister, also a graphics designer, she resisted a bit longer (until 4.3) but now she also finaly enjoys using Linux. And I have similar experience from our primary school where I administer computers and from time to time give extra courses to kids. We have a mix of Linux machines with Edubuntu/GNOME (on old less powerful machines) and PCLinuxOS/KDE on normal machines. And kids enjoy working on KDE machines a lot more.

                        As for me, i don't care so much about looks, I'm more interested into interested new technologies and KDE is ahead quite a lot here and even advances faster, so that's why I'm currently more interested in ti.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                          Then blame gtk.
                          That's exactly what I'm doing

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                          • #14
                            Eclipse and Firefox with Qt

                            Originally posted by Koorac View Post
                            I like the design, but firefox and eclipse are a real pain!
                            Luckily we may soon get Eclipse (SWT) with Qt GUI. There was also work to port Firefox to Qt, if I remember Nokia was doing it, but unfortunately I don't hear about any progress anymore

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                            • #15
                              Firefox has been ported to use a Qt frontend at least 3 times now and abandoned each time it started looking slightly promising.

                              In a way, it's similar to OpenOffice, which does have a KDE 3 front-end, but not one for KDE 4 AFAIK.

                              If Nokia is really putting some weight behind it, then it might finally happen. Otherwise, there are webkit-based browsers like Arora, Konqueror and Rekonq.

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