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  • Cannonical update botches again: 8.04.1 hosed

    Gents:

    We all know how the quality of Ubuntu updates has "tubed" in the last 6 months. First the 9.1/9.2 fiasco ... then the corruptive updates to the newly released LL_10.04 LTS ; every update destroyed something that had previously worked ... and still does !! Then there was the issue the LM_sensors never worked on the gd70 --- but that was MSIs fault eh ... hehehe...

    Now this ... an 8.04.1 LTS update ( on my "2nd" ASUS_M2N kit ) that wipes clean the previous installed GUI and leaves lusr flopping about at 640x480 like a beached fish after a storm. That's all legacy kit like the Mona Lisa or a Shaker table ... not to be f*cked with ! Can't even see the entire screen now. Just didn't matter ... all those blotchy icons how can you casually trash a lusr_base like that ?

    Unless some code experiment had to be performed and tested " for the greater good". Ha hahahahaha. Feckin-A Cannonical. Mebby M$ just bought them and some ol'-hand Debian coders are hosing-da-base.

  • #2
    If M$ had bought them, then it would at least work. So, they didn't buy them, no such luck.

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    • #3
      Don't blame Debian for Ubuntu's problems. Blame all it's organizers and leaders who don't know the first thing about code.

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      • #4
        Man this is this patheic:

        http://duopetalflower.blogspot.com/2...ia-inside.html

        Users should be never get a blank screen when they boot Ubuntu. It's a horrbile first impression of Linux for many that are affected. There's no reason why they should have used Nouveau as the default over vesa at this point. Maybe in a year when Nouveau is ready, but not now.

        Ubuntu should not be using unstable software like Nouveau in the default install.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by darkphoenix22 View Post
          Ubuntu should not be using unstable software like Nouveau in the default install.
          Sorry but Linus was the one calling them to pull it into main. I don't like Ubuntu but this is all his doing.

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          • #6
            Eh. Wasn't Nouveau backported from 2.6.33 into Ubuntu's 2.6.32 kernel?

            In any case, vesa should be used by default in distributions for Nvidia cards until the blank screen problems are fixed.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by darkphoenix22 View Post
              Eh. Wasn't Nouveau backported from 2.6.33 into Ubuntu's 2.6.32 kernel?

              In any case, vesa should be used by default in distributions for Nvidia cards until the blank screen problems are fixed.

              I can remember "configuring" RedHat_5 and SuSE_7.3 ... I thought those early days had passed by ... in particular Red-Hat_6 was a watermark for stable, self_updating systems. Linux had learned howto do things right!
              My Ubuntu_8.04.1 LTS has been **rock solid** for two years. How can ANY responsible admin(s) --- say Cannonical -- just f*ck-it-up for the sake of some low_Beta_version experimentation? Do they think the acro <LTS> is just a marketing slogan --- feckin-A ...

              I've said it already re// Ubuntu ... the term SOCIOPATH comes to mind, when considering Cannonical cavalier dis_concern for lusr well-being.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jaxjoe View Post
                I can remember "configuring" RedHat_5 and SuSE_7.3 ... I thought those early days had passed by ... in particular Red-Hat_6 was a watermark for stable, self_updating systems. Linux had learned howto do things right!
                My Ubuntu_8.04.1 LTS has been **rock solid** for two years. How can ANY responsible admin(s) --- say Cannonical -- just f*ck-it-up for the sake of some low_Beta_version experimentation? Do they think the acro <LTS> is just a marketing slogan --- feckin-A ...

                I've said it already re// Ubuntu ... the term SOCIOPATH comes to mind, when considering Cannonical cavalier dis_concern for lusr well-being.
                This is because Ubuntu doesn't have direction. Quite a few of its organizers do not code and do not understand code. Because of this, they have no idea about the effects of their decisions. And the rest of the community has to deal with the consequences.

                Desktop Linux is in the same place it was 2 years ago, at the time of Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy. This applies to Fedora and the other mainstream distributions as well. Desktop Linux needs direction to move forward because, at the moment, it is just spinning around in circles.

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                • #9
                  Linux is not a toy, it is a production environment.

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                  • #10
                    Non-programmers should have input and should be able to vote and influence those who program. But they shouldn't be making decisions. Mostly because they can't clean up the mess.

                    You want to directly influence Linux? Pick up a copy of K&R and start programming. Only then can you take direct responsibility for your decisions.

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                    • #11
                      Yes ... arrogance

                      Originally posted by darkphoenix22 View Post
                      Non-programmers should have input and should be able to vote and influence those who program. But they shouldn't be making decisions. Mostly because they can't clean up the mess.

                      You want to directly influence Linux? Pick up a copy of K&R and start programming. Only then can you take direct responsibility for your decisions.
                      I see something more specific. The new Cannonical head Jane Silber was expected to head_up UBUNTU push into the corporation. The release 10.04 LTS was s[pearhead. She prolly figured to generate an **ansatz** ... and she did just that.

                      It's just been all failed. The Ubuntu product is miles_wide and an inch deep in desktop usability. With enormous care by both usrland lusrs and by the Ubuntu release_team you can manage the illusion of a carefree Linux desktop.; some stuff works amazingly well. But, gawdhelpyou should usrland get 1/2 step off the beaten trail. That's what happened in the U_9.1/2 fiasco ... and is happening now in LTS updates all-over the release spectrum from 8.04.1 to 10.04 ....

                      Less than 1% of competitive desktop lusrs have chosen Ubuntu; that ought to have spoken volumes ... about Ubuntu weakness. Users aren't fools w.r.t. their own comfort level. But nagging facts evidently only inspired Cannonical to overbearing fantasyland folly.

                      They have-been/are over-reaching and the entire Ubuntu lusr_community pays with trashed systems and functionless kit.

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                      • #12
                        I just spent two hours yesterday trying to fix a friend's laptop with Ubuntu Netbook Remix. For some reason Compiz got installed, and it cause her screen to flash whenever she logged in. There was so many levels of hacks that I had to work through that I ended up telling her just to install Linux Mint 7 Xfce Edition.

                        Graphics designers and usually UI designers make for horrible programming managers. Mostly because they can't program.

                        For example, I'm taking direct advice from a professional designer in my branding and the UI tweaks we're making for 2.0. But does he ever have final say. God no. He can't program.

                        The problem with Ubuntu is that we don't even have professional managers who have experience with code or even managing a business. Instead, we have these bloody arm-chair developers calling shots who have no clue about the consequences of what they're doing.

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                        • #13
                          There's a real sense in which no Ubuntu usrland improvements have been performed for the last 3 years. New functions yes ... but not usability improvements.

                          Since an update <one week ago> to my 8.04.1 system hosed the graphics trapping me at 800x600. New untested and unproven and unintegrated Ubuntu graphics drivers.

                          ZAPP YOU ARE HOSED LUSR THEY SEZ !!!

                          I have been searching old posts from 2005-2008 to see how xorg gets manually configured. It's year.of.our.lord 2010 ... and feckin-A Ubuntu can't keep a decent picture on-da-screen !!

                          Why should I need to do that ? Such fiddling is hobbyland or codeland behavior ... utterly objectionable for usrland. But, I am sure cannonical **needs** Guinea-pigs on which to test their new(er) code and those guinea-pares-R-us !

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                          • #14
                            Luckily you don't have to manually configure X with open drivers and an up-to-date graphics stack.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jaxjoe View Post
                              There's a real sense in which no Ubuntu usrland improvements have been performed for the last 3 years. New functions yes ... but not usability improvements.

                              Since an update <one week ago> to my 8.04.1 system hosed the graphics trapping me at 800x600. New untested and unproven and unintegrated Ubuntu graphics drivers.

                              ZAPP YOU ARE HOSED LUSR THEY SEZ !!!

                              I have been searching old posts from 2005-2008 to see how xorg gets manually configured. It's year.of.our.lord 2010 ... and feckin-A Ubuntu can't keep a decent picture on-da-screen !!

                              Why should I need to do that ? Such fiddling is hobbyland or codeland behavior ... utterly objectionable for usrland. But, I am sure cannonical **needs** Guinea-pigs on which to test their new(er) code and those guinea-pares-R-us !
                              You can likely specify the resolution via the xorg.conf file. Running the latest drivers will also help though sometimes this isn't possible for a variety of reasons.

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