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  • #16
    [QUOTE=darkphoenix22;132478]You can likely specify the resolution via the xorg.conf file. Running the latest drivers will also help though sometimes this isn't possible for a variety of reasons.[/QUOTE

    I have run various protocols and syntax-strings from various websites ... nothing works so far. But --- that's the wrong viewpoint.

    The major issue is Connonicals lack-of-responsibility for the issue. They really couldn't care less what f*cks-up. UBUNTU advertizes usrland software .. its flagship OS. But, they can't follow thru on that promise. Cannonical has simply and crassly failed. Manual adjustment of files?? In an LTS software release?? Usrland has no-business messing with that.

    Of-course you can say that since < 1% of all desktops are Ubuntu desktops, then there are no "usrland" Ubuntu desktops. All users of Ubuntu are hobbiests or coders. Could be true ... then I am very much out-of-place.

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    • #17
      Ubuntus failure

      Originally posted by nanonyme View Post
      Luckily you don't have to manually configure X with open drivers and an up-to-date graphics stack.
      Usrland should **never** need to do this. It's a choice. I stay away from Slackmolian, LFScratcherillian and Debiolinger distros; those are for hobbyiests and coders and such-like folks who may very well need to manually execute vaious OS_admin tasks. RedHat_6 was the first to eliminate those needs ... replaced by automagic system admin.

      Ubuntu followed. By choosing Ubuntu (LTS) I have explicitly opted_out of that pro_level admin game. As JL Piquard sez ... "make it so..." . But Ubuntu is trying to drag me kicking & screaming into that feckin-A coders swamp.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jaxjoe View Post
        Usrland should **never** need to do this. It's a choice. I stay away from Slackmolian, LFScratcherillian and Debiolinger distros; those are for hobbyiests and coders and such-like folks who may very well need to manually execute vaious OS_admin tasks. RedHat_6 was the first to eliminate those needs ... replaced by automagic system admin.

        Ubuntu followed. By choosing Ubuntu (LTS) I have explicitly opted_out of that pro_level admin game. As JL Piquard sez ... "make it so..." . But Ubuntu is trying to drag me kicking & screaming into that feckin-A coders swamp.
        I thought getting the NVIDIA driver on SuSE working was a little bit of a chore until I tried 10.04 LTS on the same system - the hardware was locked by Nouveau. Ubuntu is serious hell for anyone who does even minor manual configuration. I couldn't even blacklist the Nouveau driver- I had to actually remove it from the system to get it to stop.

        I had to reboot every time I tested and failed on that little experiment, as Nouveau wouldn't release the GPU to the terminal once X loaded correctly- leaving me with an Original-NES-esque graphic artifact ed mess of a useless terminal.

        The fully-automatic nature of Ubuntu really needs to receive more productive and suggestive criticism. Ex.: -Do not- TRY things without asking me. When compiling a list of compatible display drivers to load on first boot, ask me which one I want, or give me the option to go to a terminal. Don't spam-start X with any driver you can hop in bed with.

        Overall I think most user's expectations of an OS automatically knowing everything you WANT to do is unreasonable. By trying to cater to that, Ubuntu is subject to alot of flak from many communities (including its own in many cases). If you want to use a computer, you're going to have to learn how to do the basics, including system maintenance. Its much like owning a car- you need to acknowledge that you own the responsibility of maintaining it as much as you own the right to use it. If you aren't responsible you should never expect it to work for your needs in the first place.

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        • #19
          evil Cannonical

          Originally posted by kazetsukai View Post
          I thought getting the NVIDIA driver on SuSE working was a little bit of a chore until I tried 10.04 LTS on the same system - the hardware was locked by Nouveau. Ubuntu is serious hell for anyone who does even minor manual configuration. I couldn't even blacklist the Nouveau driver- I had to actually remove it from the system to get it to stop.

          I had to reboot every time I tested and failed on that little experiment, as Nouveau wouldn't release the GPU to the terminal once X loaded correctly- leaving me with an Original-NES-esque graphic artifact ed mess of a useless terminal.

          The fully-automatic nature of Ubuntu really needs to receive more productive and suggestive criticism. Ex.: -Do not- TRY things without asking me. When compiling a list of compatible display drivers to load on first boot, ask me which one I want, or give me the option to go to a terminal. Don't spam-start X with any driver you can hop in bed with.

          Overall I think most user's expectations of an OS automatically knowing everything you WANT to do is unreasonable. By trying to cater to that, Ubuntu is subject to alot of flak from many communities (including its own in many cases). If you want to use a computer, you're going to have to learn how to do the basics, including system maintenance. Its much like owning a car- you need to acknowledge that you own the responsibility of maintaining it as much as you own the right to use it. If you aren't responsible you should never expect it to work for your needs in the first place.
          Certainly you are correct ... and my 'automagic admin' rap approaching hyperbola. Approaching ... but I am making a legit point. And not an abstract point.

          To a **shockingly large** degree Cannonical has succeeded in making Ubuntu automagically self.administered. I installed U_6.06 and Ubuntu upgraded to 8.04.1 with basically no input from me.

          I burned and installed aa early beta_CD of x64U_10.04 -- on spanking_new quad kit and the system for better/worse/unknowable has moved along by itself. Automagic! Success ... though vidcam/printer/sound tend to randomly vanish and reappear. Anything could be true ... and what happened was that the**best** has been true.

          That's the real point of my **rant**. Cannonical knows how to do the **right thing**. But the trashing given my older kit carrying 8.04.1 LTS as OS is beyond reason and common sense. There was nothing left to get right --- everything had been got right. Why touch anything and risk destroying crucial <juju> that joelusr may have placed in that ultra_safe environment! ??

          Cannonical radically_so did not act in my best interests ... and instead exposed me to unexpected, unrequested and un-necessary risk. I have no basis on which to trust anything else they do.

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          • #20
            Just to close out this thread ... I upgraded this kit over_WEB from 8.04 to 10.04 without serious issue.

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