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    Phoronix: Ubuntu To Pull In New Versions Of Firefox

    Ubuntu's longstanding policy of not pulling in new major versions of packages into their stable repositories is facing a slight change. Canonical along with the Ubuntu development community have been making it easier to deploy Mozilla Firefox web-browser updates into existing Ubuntu releases...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=ODMwNw

  • #2
    Finally... This is one of my biggest annoyances with Ubuntu! Part of the reasons that I usually run the developer releases is because of it having the newer version.

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    • #3
      It was about time...

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      • #4
        Can this extend to newer versions of other non-critical packages as well, e.g. Pidgin?

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        • #5
          Why not do it with all software and stop releasing new versions of Ubuntu each 6 months. Of course kernel updates shouldn't be installed automatically and should be marked as optional.

          They could still release a new Ubuntu every year, to update the artwork and other trademark changes.

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          • #6
            Does this mean that Lucid will upgrade to Firefox 4.0 when it is released, or wait until Mozilla drops support for the 3.6.x series?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by EarthMind View Post
              Why not do it with all software and stop releasing new versions of Ubuntu each 6 months...
              Yes, that would be rather cool. We could call it a rolling release schedule.
              Oh wait.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by aaaantoine View Post
                Can this extend to newer versions of other non-critical packages as well, e.g. Pidgin?
                This policy is specific to Firefox at the moment (and also Chromium), due to the way their support models work. There is no need to apply the same policy to other software that doesn't present the same maintenance challenges.

                Originally posted by anbog
                Does this mean that Lucid will upgrade to Firefox 4.0 when it is released, or wait until Mozilla drops support for the 3.6.x series?
                Lucid will get Firefox 4.0 as 3.6.x approaches EOL

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                • #9
                  A short list of packages that are reasonably popular, have a similar maintenance model to Firefox (i.e., upstream "productizes" it), and are not going to prevent you from getting to a working graphical desktop if the upgrade breaks:

                  *VirtualBox-OSE
                  *Sun Java (or OpenJDK)
                  *OpenOffice
                  *Thunderbird and Sunbird
                  *Pidgin
                  *Second Life or Snowglobe
                  *Skype

                  As an added bonus, all of the above have an excellent history of backwards compatibility, if applicable. For instance, every single program that runs on Java 6 will run on Java 7, as a matter of strict operational policy for the Java Community Process. There is virtually zero risk to pushing a new stable version of Java to the repositories. Contrast this with Mono, which breaks things sometimes in favor of API cleanliness -- so we wouldn't as easily be able to ship major updates to MonoDevelop or the Mono core without updating all Mono apps, for example.

                  Also, these apps generally have self-contained changes that do not require invasive dependency upgrading, except in very rare situations:

                  *Mumble
                  *Quassel
                  *mpd
                  *Rhythmbox
                  *And a bunch of others I can't think of off the top of my head...

                  If Canonical knows what's good for them, they will allow the Firefox example to set an operational precedent, and consider some of these other apps as candidates for major version SRUs. If they take the conservative route, though, they will continue to waste everyone's time and defeat the value of the LTS release.

                  On the topic of the LTS releases, I actually think the most valuable place to bring new major productized application releases is into the LTS. For people who only install LTS releases (enterprises), the datedness of the Ubuntu 8.04 application stack by the time Lucid was ready made 8.04 virtually useless. But there was absolutely nothing preventing the venerable old Hardy 2.6.24 kernel and aging userspace stack from running OpenOffice.org 3.1, or Firefox 3.6.

                  The folks who maintain backwards compatibility with old userspaces between releases spanning several years deserve a lot of credit, because they essentially make it possible for users who require stability to also benefit from new feature developments in applications. And let's face it, features in apps are where the real value is for most users, not in performance optimizations like KSM and CFQ.

                  An Ubuntu LTS release that keeps its top-of-the-line apps updated is very competitive with Windows. After all, folks running Windows XP in 2009 are using a decade-old kernel and running brand new software on top of it. Imagine if they had to stick with Office 2000 and the rest of the 2001-era Microsoft app stack until Vista came out. That degree of stagnation would have put Microsoft out of business -- and yet we have no problem with that on Linux? C'mon.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by clavko View Post
                    Yes, that would be rather cool. We could call it a rolling release schedule.
                    Oh wait.
                    I also thought it was a cool idea to not upgrade every 6 months and always have the latest package version, which is why I switched to sidux for my main install.
                    For the most part, it works as I want, although Debian sid is a bit behind on some key packages (WINE, iceweasel).

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                    • #11
                      whole KDE SC has point releases which mostly bug fix but sometimes also add some things ...

                      Not including them was always stupid to me and now FF gets an exeption...

                      Time for kubuntu devs to think about the same policy for point releases of KDE

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                      • #12
                        Breaking News!

                        Ubuntu now will zero /tmp on boot.

                        In other news:

                        Ubuntu switching default wallpaper from sandy-sand to curly-light-gray.
                        Ubuntu switches to libjpeg8. (<fanfares>)



                        Degradation of importance of topics being covered by Phoronix is worrying me a bit...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by EarthMind View Post
                          Why not do it with all software and stop releasing new versions of Ubuntu each 6 months. Of course kernel updates shouldn't be installed automatically and should be marked as optional.

                          They could still release a new Ubuntu every year, to update the artwork and other trademark changes.
                          That is a good idea. Canonical should do that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chrisccoulson View Post
                            Lucid will get Firefox 4.0 as 3.6.x approaches EOL
                            Are You sure? Then why Fx 3.6.4 is going to be pulled into not only Lucid, but also Hardy, Jaunty and Karmic? After all, Karmic uses Fx 3.5; it's still supported and will be for a couple of months...

                            I really hope Canonical will upgrade Fx major versions asap, not when approaching EOL. BTW, it would be also easier for them to maintain (one Fx version for all systems).

                            So, again - are You sure?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by chrisccoulson View Post
                              This policy is specific to Firefox at the moment (and also Chromium), due to the way their support models work. There is no need to apply the same policy to other software that doesn't present the same maintenance challenges.



                              Lucid will get Firefox 4.0 as 3.6.x approaches EOL
                              Since FFox 3.6.3 is buggy as a wasps_nest ... and about as friendly, who cares how quickly it updates? It's kinda like the rest of LL_10.04 ... every update destroys another piece of working function. UP->down ... back-> forth. Slither sidewayz. From one web_surf to the next you really don't what or know how disfunctional the browser will be.

                              Mebby it's time for M$ to buythemout and (*TM) make-stuff-work !

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