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  • #31
    Originally posted by benmoran View Post
    The OpenGL part really caught my interest. I'm going to give this a try.


    @ DroidHacker:
    While I agree that we should move on from flash to better (and open) technologies, it's wrong to say that flash replacement projects are worthless. There already is a huge amount of flash content out there, much of which will never be recreated in non-flash form. Basically, a modern flash replacement is needed for legacy purposes.
    I have the same kind of mentality towards the Wine project. Sure I always use native Linux software if possible, but there is so much pre-existing windows software out there that people need to use.
    Whether or not these type of projects are prolonging the life of "dying" software is something that can be debated.
    The current state of flash on smartphones (or should I say LACK of flash on smartphones) has already convinced most web developers to abandon their flash trash. There are hardly ANY web sites out there that actually require flash plugin anymore. There really is NO NEED to support legacy flash components since flash never actually did anything useful! It can all be safely abandoned without any significant impact.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
      Did you know...
      ... that the iPhone has a YouTube player?
      ... that http://m.youtube.com doesn't use flash but a lightweight mpeg-like codec? (right click watch video to download it!)
      ... that with a YouTube plugin you can search/browse YouTube vids with Totem and also get the related vids listed?
      ... that flash sucked?
      ... that most website have a cheap workaround in case flash is not detected?

      I didn't install flash after I installed Fedora and after a month I realised that I didn't miss anything. It is just a habit to have Flash but once you kicked of cold turkey, you realise that there's nothing you'll miss after you found workarounds or other websites that provide you with exactly the same...

      Steve Jobs isn't a prophet, but he sure as hell is the kickstart that was needed to start getting rid of closed web tech that was not needed in the first place!
      This I'll fully agree with. The ***ONE THING*** we can applaud apple for -- no flash.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by DeiF View Post
        Everyone is taking about flash for video.
        I'm really the one that plays flash games? Dozens of games are created everyday. We need an opensource flash player for preserving these pieces of art, in the same way programs like ScummVM preserve old DOS adventure games.
        So you play penguin throw or bloody penguin throw. Wow. You'll really be missing a lot there.

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        • #34
          @droid: careful, you're starting to foam an the mouth. Funny how I see everybody complaining about lack of native linux ports of mainstream games as a major roadblock for LotD, yet you're arguing that Flash games are irrelevant? Really? You may not care about them but others certainly do. (I'm sure there was a study showing, in terms of people playing, Flash games dwarf native games by a large margin.) I don't give a hoot about games one needs to install, but I'm not running my mouth in the "steam for linux" thread shouting "What's this Steam thing and why should I care?"

          Anyway, regarding (useful) non-video flash use-cases, web-based "photoshop", anyone? Google Street-view? The recent showcase of security features of the 500-dollar bill?

          You think everybody can jump to HTML5 - guess what, they can't until IE supports it. And I'd much rather have a site done in Flash than IE-specific sites from the olden days.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by myxal View Post
            @droid: careful, you're starting to foam an the mouth. Funny how I see everybody complaining about lack of native linux ports of mainstream games as a major roadblock for LotD, yet you're arguing that Flash games are irrelevant? Really? You may not care about them but others certainly do.
            Dude... you can still download that security hole and in 64bit notwithstanding. What is your point?

            Anyway, regarding (useful) non-video flash use-cases, web-based "photoshop", anyone? Google Street-view? The recent showcase of security features of the 500-dollar bill?
            Yeah because we are all aware that Flash is required for showcasing the features of a $500
            bill. Also I can install GIMP, so I could not care less about a Flash based Photoshop clone... Google Street-view can me ported and is not vital.

            You think everybody can jump to HTML5 - guess what, they can't until IE supports it. And I'd much rather have a site done in Flash than IE-specific sites from the olden days.
            Yes everybody can. Large website already did it. IE's marketshare is declining very rapidly. Because all other non-IE browsers combined have more marketshare than IE, why can't IE users get blocked in favor of all the other compliant browsers, instead of the other way around?

            IE and Windows is a dead horse. Nobody (except for a few realy lost souls) picked up MS Office > MS Office 2003...

            Let's fsck IE. You are stuck in the past... Snap out of it...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
              Dude... you can still download that security hole and in 64bit notwithstanding. What is your point?
              My point is everybody's getting their pants wet over Steam/source coming to Linux, but somehow making a better-performing Flash player is somehow a bad thing - I fail to see how.
              Yeah because we are all aware that Flash is required for showcasing the features of a $500 bill.
              The parent asked for useful, not required but please keep putting words in my mouth.
              Also I can install GIMP, so I could not care less about a Flash based Photoshop clone...
              Dinosaur-think. Or, "not on someone else's computer/INternet cafe/smartphone/low-spec netbook/smartbook etc. you can't, nevermind the multi-window interface which, having experienced it in Dia, is the greatest atrocity inflicted on a user.
              Google Street-view can me ported and is not vital.
              And yet it isn't (ported yet) and see dollar-bill response.


              Yes everybody can. Large website already did it. IE's marketshare is declining very rapidly. Because all other non-IE browsers combined have more marketshare than IE, why can't IE users get blocked in favor of all the other compliant browsers, instead of the other way around?
              Because
              • last time I checked, IE held the largest share, even in Europe,
              • inertia
              • "nobody got fired for going with Micrsoft"-thinking

              IE and Windows is a dead horse. Nobody (except for a few realy lost souls) picked up MS Office > MS Office 2003...

              Let's fsck IE. You are stuck in the past... Snap out of it...
              You lost me here. I hate MS as much as the next guy (on /.) but what does that have to do with anything in the story? I'm not stuck in the past, I'm stuck in the present where a website in HTML5 still has problems rendering the same way in all browsers that claim HTML5 support, and web-devs who actually want to get the work done go with Flash, or yield on the advanced features. Apple's =$ policy greatly reduces their RDF, so nobody here's bending over backwards for the Iphone.

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              • #37
                Huh.. Only 1-minute limit to edit one's post? Come on, Phoronix!
                Just wanted to add to the list:
                IE users, typically being the most ignorant, whine the loudest when something doesn't work.

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                • #38
                  Sick the guy is getting bashed on his own blog for releasing the code under GPL3.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by droidhacker View Post
                    So you play penguin throw or bloody penguin throw. Wow. You'll really be missing a lot there.
                    It turns out that there are decent games for Flash, too. Sturgeon's Law and all that. Furthermore, its popularity is actually increasing in the independent games scene (particularly since the release of the Flixel framework). I doubt that reliable statistics would be available, but I wouldn't be surprised if Flash is actually the most popular game platform today.

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                    • #40
                      So we hear about how Gnash doesn't work well, as the Flash specs are incomplete but Lightspark is only attempting to build their flash runtime environment to-spec? Could I get some clarification on this? Is that merely the immediate goal and WINE-esque workaound work is set to commence as soon as Lightspark's ActionScript3 support is complete?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by myxal View Post
                        My point is everybody's getting their pants wet over Steam/source coming to Linux, but somehow making a better-performing Flash player is somehow a bad thing - I fail to see how.
                        One cannot replace popular games, It is just like artwork. There are not much popular Linux games out there. Thus, given the obvious FAIL, good games are needed. Proprietary so be it.
                        What Linux doesn't need is Flash, simply because there is also HTML5 and WebGL comming up. Long story short: Steam required because no other good games. Flash not required because the functionality, currently only Flash is providing, is already in steady development and already coming as FLOSS to Linux.

                        The parent asked for useful, not required but please keep putting words in my mouth.
                        It was pretty much rethorical sarcasm, definately not putting words in your mouth..


                        Dinosaur-think. Or, "not on someone else's computer/INternet cafe/smartphone/low-spec netbook/smartbook etc. you can't,[...]
                        Oh yeah... my smartphone totally doesn't lack any power for Photoshop-like image editing. It is also an extremely small screen. Propping is the only usefull thing on these devices and they are already capable of doing that, so...

                        [...]nevermind the multi-window interface which[...]
                        Yeah never mind the multi-windowed user interface. Wanne know why Adobe Photoshop is also just as multi-windows on the Mac? Because according to Adobe the windowmanager of Windows was so pathetic, they needed to create a single window UI solely because it would otherwise be unbearable to use under Windows.

                        Because
                        • last time I checked, IE held the largest share, even in Europe.
                        • Really? The latest IE, being IE8, has about 10% marketshare. IE7 has 20 percent. IE6 now has about 15% and Firefox 30%, Chrome 10%, Safari 10% and the rest 5%.
                          45%<55%.

                          Here's some advice, and I am doing 'customer support' (sorta) for some elearning website:
                          If you get an e-mail from somebody who uses a realy crappy browser I simply ask them "Did you install the latest version of your browser?" (always IE) and when they say "Yes but it still doesn't work" than I simply respond with The Correct Answer (TM). I am asuming that the people that mail me are not idiots; they simply do not know anything about computers, so I do not treat them like idiots. I made a standard respond email in which I explain them in layman terms;
                          -What is wrong = this being we use the latest industry standards, but;
                          -Microsoft is trying to catch up with everybody else, but haven't caught up yet
                          -Alternative, high-quality industry-ready (R)(C) browsers.
                          And As them to get back to me per e-mail if things are still problematic.

                          Thius dramatically reduced the mails I got since people expected 'us' to do their work for them. No longer do I reset acounts, I just mail them a standard mail with a link to the 'Forgot Password' page and so they have to also do some effort.

                          Believe me... it works and people are grateful (I sometimes get thank you mails) to get such explainatory help.

                          It is just too bad that some people have no insight/SQ and they get the shit al over them and want to complain about anti-social people that they have to deal with every day. *Please buy a mirror*

                        • inertia
                        • "nobody got fired for going with Micrsoft"-thinking
                      The New York stock exchange only crashed two times due to the UNIX to Windows move. Believe me when I say people got firedd for it!

                      And lastly you complain about HTML5 not working in all browsers. Well good old chap, Flash works in no other browser than Goolge Chrome, all the other browsers need a plugin. IE websites work on no other browser whatsoevere, not even between IE6, 7 and 8 is there compatibility... Give or take...

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