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  • #16
    Gnome annoyances

    What I'd like to see is the fixing of a number of Gnome "annoyances". I don't call them bugs simply because they don't (as far as I can tell) lead to data loss or worse.

    Take, for example, the quirky behavior of the default Gnome NetworkManager frontend (nm-applet) in a multiuser set-up. Only one user at a time can use nm-applet, as documented in this link (which references a couple of Ubuntu bug reports).

    Or how about this nearly decade-old GTK dialog bug (which you can see in the pair of screenshots below):



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    • #17
      Originally posted by RealNC View Post
      No, you had that before seeing KDE too.
      Hah I can't deny that .

      @KDesk: .

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      • #18
        Originally posted by An(noymous)droid View Post
        Or how about this nearly decade-old GTK dialog bug (which you can see in the pair of screenshots below):
        + i want to be able to press k while in a dropdown menu and automatically scroll to the entries that start with k.

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        • #19
          Lol when did I write this?
          Originally posted by hax0r View Post
          7 things that should seriously be done by the time 3.0 comes around:

          a) 8pt default font
          b) scrolling speed setting
          c) metacity minimize rectangle animation idiotic thingy, dump it in favor of xfwm4 or stop hiding the key--/desktop/gnome/interface/enable_animations/enable_animations
          d) provide some neat default theme and icons, make murrine the default gtk engine, and change the depressing brown folder icon--makes me want to jump out of the window
          e) provide a neat start menu, even suse's gnome-main-menu is better than default, or change the default nooby, fat bars, seriously wtf?
          f) get rid of some of the legacy shit...bonobo...anybody remember the save session paranoia...what a flipping lusers
          g) nuke the gconf and xml bloat and do what kde did

          and about the fonts, only on linux you'll see big, fat, fuzzy 10pt fonts in 640x480 res on 24" LCD burning up your retina.
          This too:
          Originally posted by hax0r View Post
          Originally posted by cl333r View Post
          Anyone knows why nautilus is so slow at listing file in folders?
          And when creating a new folder it takes like a second or two.. wtf.. no other file manager is so slow
          ^ yes, this would be 8 on my list. Write to the mailinglists, since you're not alone . Sometimes it takes 4 or 5 times for nautilus to respond to shift+delete.
          @An(noymous)droid; That bug/feature is so annoying .

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          • #20
            Originally posted by waucka View Post
            That's because GNOME vs KDE is a holy war, just like Emacs vs vi and GPL vs BSD. People feel very passionately about such things, sometimes to the detriment of their ability to think rationally.
            You'll hardly see any GNOME users invading KDE threads telling people how bad KDE sucks. Many GNOME users couldn't care less about KDE. For KDE users however they seem to not let an opportunity pass by to bash GNOME. Perhaps hoping that's the way to lift KDE out of its irrelevance. I'm afraid not. GNOME is the king of the Linux desktop and no amount of bashing by the KDE minority is going to change that.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by hax0r View Post
              KDE does look like crap, washed out gray colors with buttons and icons anchored to it giving me an immediate brain damage .
              You mean the shades of gray Apple, Microsoft and KDE now uses after user interface design figured out it reduced the headaches from staring at fierce colors all day?

              Oh wait... Gnome vanilla is also gray... Oops?

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              • #22
                This time, I think I'll just sit back and have fun.

                Btw, the white-space-on-menu thingy is supposed to be a feature, not a bug. I still think it's an idiotic design decision, but there you have it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                  This time, I think I'll just sit back and have fun.

                  Btw, the white-space-on-menu thingy is supposed to be a feature, not a bug. I still think it's an idiotic design decision, but there you have it.
                  Gnome sucks! It is just like Windows 2k! Gnome users are idiots!

                  You've got some work to do here, BlackStar ^^,

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                    Btw, the white-space-on-menu thingy is supposed to be a feature, not a bug. I still think it's an idiotic design decision, but there you have it.
                    Are you serious? Congrats for the one who developed (and hopefully patented) such a great looking and useful feature!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by srg_13 View Post
                      Why would you like to say nothing's changed in six months of development? Because you prefer to be a mindless troll instead of saying something with a grain of truth to it?

                      Just this week there were 2121 commits in 206 Gnome projects, by 275 developers...
                      It depends what they're doing. Afaik they're in transition to Gnome 3, so the most of this is probably cleaning, converting etc. I suppose D2kx was talking about different things which are more useful for end users.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                        Are you serious? Congrats for the one who developed (and hopefully patented) such a great looking and useful feature!
                        Yeah, the idea is that the first menu item is just beside the pointer (unlike, say, KDE, where you have to move the mouse diagonally to get to the first item). Makes sense but, to me at least, the empty space is so visually distracting that the first thing I do is scroll the menu until it disappears. Here is the bug report.

                        (That's a prime candidate for a usability test, btw. I can't be the only one who goes out of his way to remove the empty space!)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                          Makes sense but, to me at least, the empty space is so visually distracting that the first thing I do is scroll the menu until it disappears. Here is the bug report.

                          (That's a prime candidate for a usability test, btw. I can't be the only one who goes out of his way to remove the empty space!)
                          The empty space is irritating too and I always did the same - scrolled the menu until it wasn't visible. I believe it's better to have a dialog filled in some items, so you can select interesting one faster. I'm sure there are many, many more people who want to get rid of this.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                            It depends what they're doing. Afaik they're in transition to Gnome 3, so the most of this is probably cleaning, converting etc. I suppose D2kx was talking about different things which are more useful for end users.
                            Actually what I wanted to say was that I won't start the usual DE war this time and was serious when I said "good job, developers". Whether I actually think that a lot of exciting stuff happened is another thing. Well, it's too late anyway, the war has begun, so let me get some popcorn and I'll join BlackStar on sitting back and having fun.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                              You mean the shades of gray Apple, Microsoft and KDE now uses after user interface design figured out it reduced the headaches from staring at fierce colors all day?

                              Oh wait... Gnome vanilla is also gray... Oops?
                              I too am sick of the grey. It at least needs some texture; the current default KDE theme looks like a boundless sea of grey. Making everything blend into a massive solid block of colour should be a thing of the past, it's about time people realised that. Don't get me wrong, I use KDE; it's the best of the rather lackluster choice available (imo).

                              The default gnome theme still looks like Windows 2000 to me, too. Gnome-Shell seems to use a inoffensive theme at least. Lets just hope Shuttleworth doesn't get his way and spray a billion tray icons all over the window borders. Seriously, the funny "design ideas" that guy comes up with. I can't work out whether it's that no one is willing to disagree with his absurd "usability" notions within Cannonical or that they are genuinely oblivious.

                              Either way I'm glad they have no significant role upstream, hopefully such ridiculous notions will be promptly laughed at and ignored.

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                              • #30
                                Thats how I imagine Cannonical is working:
                                1. One evening Mark switches off his Macbook and boots up Ubuntu. He spots that something cool is missing. He comes up with an idea.
                                2. Ubuntu team implements it.
                                3. Cannonical: "Hey upstream we've got this nice new feature, you want it? Here it is, grab it."
                                4. Cannonical: "What do you mean we didn't consult it with upstream? What duplicated work? What standards?"
                                5. Upstream: "Can't reproduce it here, what version of Gnome are you using again?"
                                5. Cannonical: "S***, those bugs are killing us."

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