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  • #16
    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
    It did happen from the Qt side. Qt apps will use the active Gtk style under Gnome. They look like Gtk apps. The reverse isn't true, Gtk apps can not use the active Qt style.

    It's just sad that Gtk does not return the favor here.
    http://code.google.com/p/gtk-qt-engine/

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    • #17
      I am aware of that. It's an ugly monstrosity. It's far preferable to run Gtk apps with their default style rather than that one.

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      • #18
        I wouldn't hold my breath on this...

        Originally posted by _txf_ View Post
        Probably due to the fact that it is less capable of doing so...(at least properly as there are some oxygen attempts but nowhere near the equivalent to Qt)
        Yup... The only real solution would be a native renderer using Qt itself. There are no GTK styles which gets even close to what Oxygen is in KDE 4.4, with it's subtle animations and a peculiar polish.

        However, I think that GNOME and GTK are in a more comfortable situation, as the most hyped distros (ubuntu / fedora) uses them as default, and many popular applications (firefox / chrome / gimp) are GTK based.

        Qt / KDE have to run to catch up position. But they are far superior in all aspects. I long for the day where ALL software I run are totally capable of replacing their GTK equivalents.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by val-gaav View Post
          Not really. I'm actually impressed, because :


          http://library.gnome.org/misc/releas...ilus.png.en_GB

          Split View ? Well I know KDE had that LONG time ago, nevertheless it's still nice that gnome will also have it.
          Lol. My favorite part of the release notes is actually what they said after that:

          GNOME 2.30 includes updates to Nautilus, the GNOME File Manager. Nautilus features a number of user interface changes including a new split view mode and is now set to browser mode by default, replacing spatial mode.
          Really? And it only took them until 2010 figure out that it's been the industry standard since 2002. Stubborn bastards...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Joe Sixpack View Post
            Really? And it only took them until 2010 figure out that it's been the industry standard since 2002. Stubborn bastards...
            Not really. It took them until 2010 to realise that whatever about theoretical user-friendliness and the desktop/folder paradigm, User expectation trumps the theory. In theory spatial mode is easier for a new user, in practice it's not because they aren't "blank slates", they already have a conception of how it works. This is a case of sometimes what is wrong, is actually right.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RobbieAB View Post
              Not really. It took them until 2010 to realise that whatever about theoretical user-friendliness and the desktop/folder paradigm, User expectation trumps the theory. In theory spatial mode is easier for a new user, in practice it's not because they aren't "blank slates", they already have a conception of how it works. This is a case of sometimes what is wrong, is actually right.
              LOL!!!

              Have you actually used default Gnome, or are you just speaking in theory? Opening a new file manager window every time I click on a folder is far from user-friendly or convenient, and it has nothing to do with being a blank slate. Explain how having directories and drives listed to the left and having the ability to go backwards and forwards in the same window is a bad idea. Gnome has always had a history for being stubborn. They'd rather inconvenience the user for the sake of appearing "original". Hence them waiting until approx version 2.10 to add a menu editor because it "wasn't needed".

              Your theory is very true, but it doesn't apply in this case.

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              • #22
                @Joe Sixpack:

                Agreed they should have changed that default years ago ,,, then again most distros changed it for years for them.

                Actually that default scarred the crap out of me the first time I run Gnome on debian.

                Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                Are there any plans of providing a way for Gtk apps to not look like ass on KDE? Like the native Gtk look of Qt apps when ran under Gnome?
                I suggest using this :
                http://kde-look.org/content/show.php...content=103741

                As for gtk+ devs plans :
                https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573916

                It really doesn't seem they will do anything about it

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by val-gaav View Post
                  That's crappy too. The colors are totally, completely wrong. It doesn't even attempt to use the Qt color settings.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                    That's crappy too. The colors are totally, completely wrong. It doesn't even attempt to use the Qt color settings.
                    Then tell System Settings to apply KDE theme colors to apps with other toolkits.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Joe Sixpack View Post
                      Lol. My favorite part of the release notes is actually what they said after that:
                      Really? And it only took them until 2010 figure out that it's been the industry standard since 2002. Stubborn bastards...
                      +1
                      It actually begs the question if their devs (not all) are also stupid or paranoid or mentally ill cause I don't think one can be _that_ stubborn and use _that_ bad decisions for such a long time, literally years.

                      They also didn't fix their (idiotic) DND in Nautilus and on panels, which only successfully competes with win95 interfaces. Yes, ignore this or say it's not true and call me a troll.

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                      • #26
                        "Nautilus features a number of user interface changes including a new split view mode and is now set to browser mode by default, replacing spatial mode.


                        Isn't this an April fools joke?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by KAMiKAZOW View Post
                          Then tell System Settings to apply KDE theme colors to apps with other toolkits.
                          Of course I have that option enabled. Oxygen Molecule does not obey it, however. It uses hardcoded colors, which is just stupid.

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                          • #28
                            Maybe it's just me, but I find that everything that relates to GNU is half-assed, excluding their FLOSS Unix replacement cmd software. It just look and feels amaturistic.

                            Maybe that's why I can't stand Gnome and its apps. That is also why I use KDE and Openbox as GUI's.

                            Anyway, I hope that 2.32 or 3.0 is a realy big improvement for Gnome because it realy needed it.

                            Just being serious without trolling: one can't realy expect Gnome to take on other OS as the face of desktop Linux, now can one?

                            I mean it has to at least be on par with Aero and Aqua, not completely behind.

                            Anyway it has the smell of unshowered practicall 60's bearded UNIX developpers all over it.

                            You may now flame back, or take this critisism seriously and do something about it if you like...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                              Just being serious without trolling: one can't realy expect Gnome to take on other OS as the face of desktop Linux, now can one?
                              It's interesting however that the "professional desktop" market prefers Gnome. I mean those folks that sometimes stiff use Motif because their personnel was trained to use that.

                              I believe Gnome's success has a lot to do with its slow progress; it doesn't change much, so it succeeds much better in the commercial market than KDE. Sometimes seeing Gnome desktops besides ancient machines still running Motif apps (and for the same reasons!) just makes me wanna kill a bunny each time I hear that Gnome is the DE for the "modern Linux desktop."

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                              • #30
                                Thou Shalt Not Kill Bunnys

                                Cats, kiddies, whatever... But I won't let you kill teh bunnies!

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