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  • #16
    Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
    Many interesting applications require a compositor these days (and that's a good thing) but you can always fall back Metacity if need be.
    Can you name a few? Or maybe you meant applications which will come with Gnome 3? To turn off the compositor in upcoming Gnome it will be needed to have two WM? This one is good!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by kraftman View Post
      Can you name a few? Or maybe you meant applications which will come with Gnome 3? To turn off the compositor in upcoming Gnome it will be needed to have two WM? This one is good!
      Gnome Shell, Docky 2 and AWN were the ones I had in mind specifically.

      Also, what's the issue with having two WMs? It's not as if they are both running at the same time, so it doesn't make any difference in resource consumption.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
        Gnome Shell, Docky 2 and AWN were the ones I had in mind specifically.
        Ok, I thought about some neutral applications.

        Also, what's the issue with having two WMs? It's not as if they are both running at the same time, so it doesn't make any difference in resource consumption.
        It's a little non optimal IMHO, because it's easier to maintain one WM - fixing bugs, regressions and adding features then to maintain both. People will probably report bugs against Mutter and Metacity and for some newbies it can be confusing - to against which WM report a bug? Of course it's clear theory and maybe it won't make some additional problems.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
          Obligatory flame: I thought Gnome was a dead project? Why do they keep pushing updates noone wants?
          Good question and good point!

          The awnser is because it is turned into a zombie.

          In other news: Kwin gets tiling support and becomes the most feature rich WM that does xrendr, opengl and has fallback for software.

          kthnxbye, your KDE fanboy...

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          • #20
            Hmm, I smell the tasty sound of flames. Run for the hills!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
              Good question and good point!

              The awnser is because it is turned into a zombie.

              In other news: Kwin gets tiling support and becomes the most feature rich WM that does xrendr, opengl and has fallback for software.

              kthnxbye, your KDE fanboy...
              Except it apparently doesn't support GIMP's utility windows, so it sucks!

              In all seriousness: wouldn't it be great if Kwin's tiling scheme supported GIMP so it would start up in tiles next to each other? I'm all for moving all the tabbing and tiling support out of the UI toolkits and into the window managers.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                Hmm, I smell the tasty sound of flames. Run for the hills!
                What hills? The Irish hills of Windows XP? (default wallpaper)

                Well... the learning curve shouldn't be too hard, although Gnome is still @ Windows 2000...

                Lols just screwing around with your trolling

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Remco View Post
                  Except it apparently doesn't support GIMP's utility windows, so it sucks!

                  In all seriousness: wouldn't it be great if Kwin's tiling scheme supported GIMP so it would start up in tiles next to each other? I'm all for moving all the tabbing and tiling support out of the UI toolkits and into the window managers.
                  Afaik Gimp will be using single window mode in the future:

                  http://www.gimpusers.com/news/2009-0...le-window.html

                  Any other application using such utility windows?

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                    Afaik Gimp will be using single window mode in the future:

                    http://www.gimpusers.com/news/2009-0...le-window.html
                    Yeah GIMP looks quite nice in single-window mode:

                    http://static.arstechnica.com/gimp/singlewindow.png


                    Any other application using such utility windows?
                    Cinelerra.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by monraaf View Post
                      Yeah GIMP looks quite nice in single-window mode:

                      http://static.arstechnica.com/gimp/singlewindow.png
                      But would it not be much more flexible if those windows were all tiles in Kwin? Then you could rearrange them however you'd like, and even mix windows from different applications! In combination with session management, you could have your entire desktop act as a giant IDE.

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                      • #26
                        AFAIK it's just a mode, you can switch back to the old multi-window mode if you like. Here's the article the picture is from.

                        http://arstechnica.com/open-source/r...less-gimpy.ars

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                          Many interesting applications require a compositor these days (and that's a good thing) but you can always fall back Metacity if need be.

                          Obligatory flame: I thought Gnome was a dead project? Why do they keep pushing updates noone wants?
                          Hey. you mixed something up there, that was not my post.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                            Why would a compositing WM (Compiz) support non-composited rendering? Something doesn't add up here.

                            Or did you mean composited, non-OpenGL rendering (e.g. via an XRender backend?) I can see the appeal of that, but only insofar as OpenGL drivers are buggy.
                            Obviously for those people who don't have 3D support.

                            As far as I know XRender or "whatever you want"-Render would be possible with the 0.9 Version.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Ragas View Post
                              Obviously for those people who don't have 3D support.

                              As far as I know XRender or "whatever you want"-Render would be possible with the 0.9 Version.
                              Well, OpenGL also works in software mode. The real trick is not to do anything that would take a lot of processing power. Whether you use OpenGL or XRender or whatever doesn't matter much. Unless there are graphics cards that only accelerate XRender. But if they exist, is anyone using them?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Ragas View Post
                                Obviously for those people who don't have 3D support.
                                Well the solution is to fix 3D support not avoid it even in 2010 ...

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