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  • (In case someone wonders about the colors in the post above, apparently I'm color-blind too Did I mention I hate the edit window?)

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    • Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
      Lol @V!NVENT.

      @deanjo: distrowatch is not worse than any other internet "poll", like the ones in phoronix, linuxquestions or even google trends. Not better either.

      Even so, you cannot deny that Gnome-centric distros seem to generate more interest than KDE-centric distros. Or do you have some evidence that this image does not reflect reality? (which, btw, seems to agree with distrowatch in relative numbers.)
      Well then look at this http://www.google.com/trends?q=gnome...ate=all&sort=0

      Pretty much are even.

      As far as "relative numbers" go, I think you might want to brush up on your math.

      Google's search numbers put them at:
      http://www.google.com/trends?q=ubunt...ate=ytd&sort=0

      Ubuntu: 1.00
      Mint: 0.14
      Fedora: 0.13
      openSUSE: 0.04
      Mandriva: 0.04

      Now we take Distrowatch's numbers for the last 12 months and put them in the same ratio.

      Ubuntu: 1.00
      Fedora: .71
      Mint: .63
      openSUSE: .59
      Mandriva: .47


      As you can see they differ greatly. A poll at least will give you feedback specific to the users situation where as something like google stats you have to make A LOT of assumptions as to where the end user is using defaults. What those people were searching for as well is not factored in either. Those numbers could just as easily be influenced by people looking for support on those distros because of the sheer number of issues they have with them. In the end both figures mean sweet fuck all without it being a controlled environment.

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      • Relative as in "larger than" or "smaller than". As you point out, there's little point in comparing numbers, there's too much variablity. Read that way, the only disparity is Fedora vs Mint vying for second place - which doesn't matter as far as Gnome-centric vs KDE-centric is concerned. In fact, both distrowatch and google trends place openSUSE and Mandriva last.

        I stand behind my argument, available data doesn't fit with the claim that KDE is used more than Gnome.

        Yet another source: linux counter project. How many KDE-based distros do you count under the "Distributions" table?

        Maybe this all means nothing and it's all a big conspiracy to hide the fact that KDE is more popular than Gnome. Or maybe, just maybe, the claim that KDE is more popular is baseless.

        If it isn't, where's the evidence? All I see is posturing that these statistics are inaccurate but I've yet to see a counterargument based on something other than hot air.

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        • Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
          Relative as in "larger than" or "smaller than". As you point out, there's little point in comparing numbers, there's too much variablity. Read that way, the only disparity is Fedora vs Mint vying for second place - which doesn't matter as far as Gnome-centric vs KDE-centric is concerned. In fact, both distrowatch and google trends place openSUSE and Mandriva last.

          I stand behind my argument, available data doesn't fit with the claim that KDE is used more than Gnome.

          Yet another source: linux counter project. How many KDE-based distros do you count under the "Distributions" table?

          Maybe this all means nothing and it's all a big conspiracy to hide the fact that KDE is more popular than Gnome. Or maybe, just maybe, the claim that KDE is more popular is baseless.

          If it isn't, where's the evidence? All I see is posturing that these statistics are inaccurate but I've yet to see a counterargument based on something other than hot air.
          See at the same time you have no evidence otherwise either. There is simply too many variables to even make a semi accurate guess when using statistics vs polls. Polls target specific items, a distro comparison does not.

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          • One other thing, the linux counter project is a bad joke, it's extremely outdated (as can be seen with the memory and hardrive size stats)and isn't close to being accurate with 119594 registrations.

            You might also want to look at what google stats say when you compare suse to opensuse.

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            • In a past thread, the Phoronix member 'dust' provided what I consider a very good indicator of OS usage. The Wikipedia logs:

              http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia...ingSystems.htm

              I don't see reasons to believe that these are flawed in any important way. Wikipedia is almost the perfect site to retrieve this kind of information from. Surely it's western-centric, anglophile and has an educational bias, but I don't see how this would affect the OS trends. For sure, it won't skew the Linux distro usage patterns. Also, since this is just counting browser hits, it will only count desktop machines, and not your hypothetical Unix render farm or backup server.


              Code:
              OS	                Requests	Percentage
              Windows	       3,933,522	88.18%
              Mac	                  301,282	6.75%
              Linux	                    69,354	1.55%
              iPhone	            44,451	1.00%
              BlackBerry	            16,132	0.36%
              SymbianOS             5,829	0.13%
              DoCoMo             	654	0.01%
              SunOS                	486	0.01%
              FreeBSD	                442	0.01%
              Total           	4,460,684	100%
              
              Platform Mac and Linux
              Mac Intel	              260,915	5.85%
              Mac PowerPC      	40,050	0.90%
              Linux Ubuntu        	31,479	0.71%
              Linux Debian      	  4,560	0.10%
              Linux Fedora	          3,349	0.08%
              Linux SUSE	          2,921	0.07%
              Linux Android              2,087	0.05%
              Linux Gentoo	            970	0.02%
              Linux Red Hat	            642	0.01%
              Linux CentOS                 498	0.01%

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              • Originally posted by yotambien View Post
                In a past thread, the Phoronix member 'dust' provided what I consider a very good indicator of OS usage. The Wikipedia logs:

                http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia...ingSystems.htm

                I don't see reasons to believe that these are flawed in any important way. Wikipedia is almost the perfect site to retrieve this kind of information from. Surely it's western-centric, anglophile and has an educational bias, but I don't see how this would affect the OS trends. For sure, it won't skew the Linux distro usage patterns. Also, since this is just counting browser hits, it will only count desktop machines, and not your hypothetical Unix render farm or backup server.


                Code:
                OS                    Requests    Percentage
                Windows           3,933,522    88.18%
                Mac                      301,282    6.75%
                Linux                        69,354    1.55%
                iPhone                44,451    1.00%
                BlackBerry                16,132    0.36%
                SymbianOS             5,829    0.13%
                DoCoMo                 654    0.01%
                SunOS                    486    0.01%
                FreeBSD                    442    0.01%
                Total               4,460,684    100%
                
                Platform Mac and Linux
                Mac Intel                  260,915    5.85%
                Mac PowerPC          40,050    0.90%
                Linux Ubuntu            31,479    0.71%
                Linux Debian            4,560    0.10%
                Linux Fedora              3,349    0.08%
                Linux SUSE              2,921    0.07%
                Linux Android              2,087    0.05%
                Linux Gentoo                970    0.02%
                Linux Red Hat                642    0.01%
                Linux CentOS                 498    0.01%
                There was another distribution map on the net a while ago that did show the popularity of each distro in their region. It did show quite a variance in what distro was popular where. Just off the top of my head I recall openSUSE being the flavor of choice in Russia and Germany, with fedora kicking ass in india, etc. I'm sure I posted it in some other thread here but one thing was clear that there really wasn't a clear dominant "universal" distro.

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                • I think Gnome probably does have the lead in western countries, but there's a huge # of users in South America and Asia where I think KDE dominates, and I don't think those users necessarily frequent places like Distrowatch. Anyway, who really cares about this. There's absolutely no possible way to settle this question, you're all just guessing and no one is going to convince anyone else because you all know you're just guessing.

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                  • There's absolutely no possible way to settle this question, you're all just guessing and no one is going to convince anyone else because you all know you're just guessing.
                    You just had to go ahead and spoil the fun, didn't you?

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                    • Meh, what's Gnome?

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                      • Originally posted by DeepDayze View Post
                        Meh, what's Gnome?
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome

                        If you want to help freeing some little Gnomes look here:

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnoming

                        There's also some other thing.


                        Btw. if someone's interested in reading more about new, shiny KDE look here:

                        http://www.h-online.com/open/feature...DE-926340.html

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                        • Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
                          You just had to go ahead and spoil the fun, didn't you?
                          I'm sure you will have some fun with next Gnome release, this time in Gnome-centric topic.
                          Next Gnome release isn't that far away so hold your horses for a few months.

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                          • Originally posted by that guy View Post
                            I thought this thread was about KDE 4.4.
                            No, apparently this thread is about guys substituting their penises with their DE.

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                            • Originally posted by r1348 View Post
                              No, apparently this thread is about guys substituting their penises with their DE.
                              Retarded like you should be banned. You are the typical sexually repressed person who only talks about the same everywhere.

                              Shut up!

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                              • Originally posted by KDesk View Post
                                Retarded like you should be banned. You are the typical sexually repressed person who only talks about the same everywhere.

                                Shut up!
                                I lol'd hard.

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