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  • #31
    Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
    Face it: Gnome does fscking suck!
    calm down. top 3 distrowatch entries are gnome distros. You cant tell me, or anyone else that something sucks when you are wrong entirely. It boils down to personal preference so telling someone to like something else is near pointless. No matter how much you bark, those who agree with you will still agree with you and those who dont agree with you wont.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
      calm down. top 3 distrowatch entries are gnome distros.
      So by using popularity as a benchmark I guess Windows is the best desktop de, followed by OS X. Just sayin....

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      • #33
        Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
        OpenSuSE sucks both of my balls. The only thing that's good about it is that Novell makes it and they put a lot of effort in KDE. The bad part starts even before you run it for the first time... The installer takes three times as long as the Windows XP install that formats a terabyte drive. It's absolutely horrendous...
        Sorry but that is a bunch of horseshit. Even on a atom based system it takes less then 10 minutes with a DVD install, a live CD install is even considerably shorter.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by KDesk View Post
          Hehe, what kind of people cares about console scrolling speed, does a benchmark about it, and worries about the result???
          The speed of Konsole in my machine is fast, I don't feel any slowness.

          KDE 4.4 is a very nice release, I would switch from GNOME to KDE, but I'm happy because I already use it.

          It is even possible to configure KDE to look as GNOME, with some plasma widget in KDE-look.org
          there was a benchmark which compared all of the x-terms some years ago and gnome-terminal was the clear winner - xterm was the slowest

          I don't know where it was published anymore but it probably was linux magazine

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          • #35
            What V!NCENT said.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by L33F3R View Post
              calm down. top 3 distrowatch entries are gnome distros.
              I am calm, but text based communication doesn't allow for much punctuation :P Besides... popularity-wise you think Windows > Linux...

              You cant tell me, or anyone else that something sucks when you are wrong entirely.
              Everything I have said in relation to Gnome are pure facts. For the suck part: If something sucks than it means it is useless. Well since Gnome no longer has a point for its own existence and has nothing standing out from anything else out there, it does actually suck. For the people that like minimalism, compatibility and speed XFCE kicks the hell out of Gnome. For the people that like functionality there is nothing that beats KDE 4.4. You point?

              It boils down to personal preference so telling someone to like something else is near pointless.
              There is nothing to prefer about Gnome above XFCE and KDE, but the design of the interface, which KDE 4.4 can also perfectly copy (it has already done that for people who like the theme, style and art).

              No matter how much you bark, those who agree with you will still agree with you and those who dont agree with you wont.
              No matter how much you bark, facts will not change.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ex-Cyber View Post
                So, what is (or will be in the near future) a good distro for trying out KDE 4.4? I assume Gentoo would be the obvious choice, but are there any other distros, livecds, etc. that are likely to work well?
                You could try Mandriva. in the past I quite liked it.

                Nowadays i use Gentoo with kde4 like you anticipated.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by kernelOfTruth View Post
                  there was a benchmark which compared all of the x-terms some years ago and gnome-terminal was the clear winner - xterm was the slowest

                  I don't know where it was published anymore but it probably was linux magazine
                  What about running the same test with gnome-terminal and konsole, but then 1000 instances of both at the same time?

                  That makes not only Konsole win because of shared resources, but is also just as pointless in the KDE versus Gnome discussion because I can point at a hundred points at which KDE is better at than Gnome.

                  Scrolling speed of the default terminal... Does Gnome have nothing better to offer to hint at?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
                    Sorry but that is a bunch of horseshit. Even on a atom based system it takes less then 10 minutes with a DVD install, a live CD install is even considerably shorter.
                    I have used SuSE since version 6 I believe, and it had always been horrible.

                    The last time I checked the install speed was with the first version of OpenSuSE that came with a Qt 4.x installer.

                    For a full HDD replacement (Samsung 1TB sata drive) it took 2 hours. Fact. Kubuntu 9.10, in the same setting, took 20 minutes on that very same system. Fact.

                    I do hope that since that release, things have changed. Otherwise your argument is lie.

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                    • #40
                      I thought this thread was about KDE 4.4.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                        What about running the same test with gnome-
                        Scrolling speed of the default terminal... Does Gnome have nothing better to offer to hint at?
                        They removed icons from menus/buttons in one of last releases. A major feature, since as benchmarked the windows do appear faster now.
                        It also increased productivity as users are no longer distracted by icons. Seriously who would want icons on menu and buttons? It did nothing but distract poor souls.

                        Anyway Gnome in most cases has just one button per window as having two of them would be distracting so removing the icons makes perfect sense anyway

                        As for scrolling in terminal I think they should disable it. It would save some space for terminal content. Oh and the whole terminal thing should be disabled in default Gnome install and only enabled with some secret gconf setting/key. I mean normal users do not use terminal anyway and too many icons in applications menu must be distracting for them.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                          I have used SuSE since version 6 I believe, and it had always been horrible.

                          The last time I checked the install speed was with the first version of OpenSuSE that came with a Qt 4.x installer.

                          For a full HDD replacement (Samsung 1TB sata drive) it took 2 hours. Fact. Kubuntu 9.10, in the same setting, took 20 minutes on that very same system. Fact.

                          I do hope that since that release, things have changed. Otherwise your argument is lie.
                          I've used SuSE since the early days as well. Yes a lot has changed. openSUSE has been using a image based install (not to mention the huge increases in performance of zypper that rivals apt-get) for quite some time and at NO time have I ever seen it take longer then a windows install (even over net installs) Comparing it to Kubuntu is a bit of a joke. You want to compare install speeds with Kubuntu then compare the live-CD install since you are installing roughly the same amount of packages then. If it took 2 hours to install something is VERY screwed with your system (DMA issue perhaps with your optical drive forcing it into PIO mode). I just did a full KDE install on a Athlon XP 1500+ system with the DVD complete with development packages, 1 Gig of ram and a 5400 RPM 40 Gig HD and it was around 10 minutes to install.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                            @Blackstar

                            Not to mention that xterm runs so much faster on KDE 3.5 than on 4.4. It's amazing how anyone could stand to use KDE 4.4 with such bad xterm performance.
                            Someone should probably blame graphic drivers rather then DE. If I compare KDE 3.5 apps scrolling speed to Gnome apps scrolling speed, KDE 3.5 will be probably a clear winner.
                            Thanks, for a moment I thought my trollbait was too obvious. Good, I'm not losing my touch!

                            Originally posted by V!NCENT
                            Originally posted by kernelOfTruth
                            there was a benchmark which compared all of the x-terms some years ago and gnome-terminal was the clear winner - xterm was the slowest
                            What about running the same test with gnome-terminal and konsole, but then 1000 instances of both at the same time?
                            Gnome is better than KDE in something and you change the goalposts in order to make it look bad. Typical KDE fanboi behavior. Also, I'd like to see some measurement on gnome-terminal vs konsole shared memory.

                            Btw, the comparison was between konsole3 and konsole4, not gnome-terminal and konsole - but trust a KDE fanboi to drag Gnome into the fray. Never too late for some good ol' Gnome-bashing!

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                            • #44
                              @val-gaav: you are catching on! All Gnome wants is to provide a single, big, solid button that reads, "click me". You click it, it reads your mind and gives you the results (bugs aside). Noob friendly. Menu icons, terminals and the whole other load of s... will be done away once Gnome matures!

                              KDE is going in the other direction and wants to provide tiny little shiny buttons for every little thing you might wish to do. You want to scroll down? Click here! Are you sure you want to scroll down? Click yes! Ah, ok, scrolled down, satisfied now? Yes! Did you see how pretty I was while scrolling down? Yes, yes, yes, dammit, just let me do my work! Oh, ok, then I'll just throw a little alpha transparency for you here, just so you don't forget who you are dealing with.

                              See? That's why KDE is better!

                              (Yes, I'm bored today.)

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by val-gaav View Post
                                They removed icons from menus/buttons in one of last releases. A major feature, since as benchmarked the windows do appear faster now.
                                It also increased productivity as users are no longer distracted by icons. Seriously who would want icons on menu and buttons? It did nothing but distract poor souls.

                                Anyway Gnome in most cases has just one button per window as having two of them would be distracting so removing the icons makes perfect sense anyway

                                As for scrolling in terminal I think they should disable it. It would save some space for terminal content. Oh and the whole terminal thing should be disabled in default Gnome install and only enabled with some secret gconf setting/key. I mean normal users do not use terminal anyway and too many icons in applications menu must be distracting for them.
                                Thanks for cheering up my day

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