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  • #31
    Originally posted by Joe Sixpack View Post
    If names and marketing are important to you, then you have no business using Linux LOL. The best graphic editor (The GIMP) and the best music manager (gMusicBrowser) both have sucky names. It's a good thing Pidgin (Gaim) and Mozilla (Firefox) changed their names, because they were a bit geek-ish as well.
    Well, i'm just being honest here. It's not about names being important. I don't care about marketing. It's just something that pisses me off. And as my post stated, it's not the only reason I don't use KDE regularly, but the names are the straw that broke the camels back, if you will.

    Using a bunch of programs with "K" in the name reminds me oh so unpleasantly of leet speak. It's like a throwback to the days of AOL/etc chat rooms where everyone spoke with "z"s instead of "S"s. It just pisses me off.

    If the program is good, I'll use it regardless. But given a choice, wouldn't you rather install avidemux-qt than avidemuKz?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BlackStar View Post
      Hah, make that (checks system monitor) 500-600MB, which I feel is pretty reasonable for a 2009 desktop. Not counting my browser/email clients, Compiz is the biggest consumer at 47MB, gnome-do comes second at 26MB and AWN needs an aggregate of about 30MB (distributed among several applets). No memory leak I can detect after several hours of uptime.
      500-600MB is quite a lot compared to KDE and QT4.6 should even reduce memory usage.

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      • #33
        Well, on my Gentoo box (KDE4) mem usage is usually good below 300M. Don't have that many daemons running though.
        Anyway.

        Folks, this is one of the most stupid threads I've seen in the last 5 years.
        I can't believe people are pissing at each other for KDE having a few "K"s in its apps and Gnome haveing some GNU-"Gs" here and there. There are far worse naming schemes in this world!
        And who really cares?
        If a name like kedit/gedit/whatever is a real problem for you then I so don't want to be you.
        I mean where is the problem if something is called kpdf or okular or kolourpaint? This does absolutely not have any influence on the software itself.

        What is important on a name is:
        a) it will not double with any existing software and confuse users
        b) the name tells you a bit about the software, what it probably does and so on, so users can identify it
        c) it would be nice if it is also catchy

        So please stop flaming about random-DE/WM because of a choice of names for its tools and apps.

        No go back to whatever you did before and care about real problems instead of Ks and Gs and Xs in names of programs.

        Just had to say that.

        Or did I miss the sarcasm tags here?

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        • #34
          I am using KDE 4.3.3.. Needless to say my entire desktop is filled with widgets (everything is a widget in Plasma, including the taskbar) and AmaroK 2.2.1 is running minimized, streaming Fresh.fm. Firefox is open with 2 tabs open currently, the KDE Systemmonitor is running. Yakuake and Kopete are running in the background. Preload (RAM caching app) is also running.

          It takes up about 750MB RAM... It is 1000x faster than Gnome 2.2.8. KDE requires a bunch of mem, but the more there is that you run in KDE, the less memmory and resources you'll waste.

          Gnome, with all due respect, is technologically inferior to KDE4. Turn on Compiz and that docky thing and it wastes so much resources that I don't even considder using it on my Phenom 9950 quadcore with 8GB RAM.

          Gnome suits peoples needs, but from a capability and tech perspective it SUCKS COCK!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
            It takes up about 750MB RAM... It is 1000x faster than Gnome 2.2.8. KDE requires a bunch of mem, but the more there is that you run in KDE, the less memmory and resources you'll waste.

            Gnome, with all due respect, is technologically inferior to KDE4. Turn on Compiz and that docky thing and it wastes so much resources that I don't even considder using it on my Phenom 9950 quadcore with 8GB RAM.

            Gnome suits peoples needs, but from a capability and tech perspective it SUCKS COCK!
            HA-HA: He uses gnome 2.2.8. Ha-Ha!
            I wish gnome could suck cock! Talk about a killer-app! Imagine the headlines: "Gnome - the only program that can SUCK ... ... ..."

            Seriously though, i dunno why, but on my 1.8GHz p mobile laptop with intel graphics, kde is just slow as molasses. Blame the distro (mint, ie ubuntu), buggy drivers or whatever. KDE is unusable, gnome is usable.

            Besides whos genius idea (not) was it to put a rotate function for plasmoids?

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            • #36
              PS:It looks a thousand times better than Gnome too. My desktop: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5953/kde433.png

              Originally posted by misiu_mp View Post
              Seriously though, i dunno why, but on my 1.8GHz p mobile laptop with intel graphics, kde is just slow as molasses.
              You haven't been following Phoronix too much: it's the buggy Intel crap driver that sucks cock

              KDE is unusable, gnome is usable.
              Rofl... I can do much more with KDE than I can do with Gnome. Even my avarage joe ex-sixpack dad thinks the upgrade from Gnome to KDE rocks. He literaly said that it was not only more stable, but also much more usable.

              Take that Gnome!
              Last edited by V!NCENT; 12-03-2009, 09:04 AM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by RealNC View Post
                ...that needs 1GB RAM after running for more than 6 hours and slows the system down to a crawl. That *comes* close to Vista/7 though, since those do this right from the start
                Gnome still needs work in resource management, agreed.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                  PS:It looks a thousand times better than Gnome too. My desktop: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5953/kde433.png
                  Yep, just as I said: Kitsch Desktop Environment

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by misiu_mp View Post
                    HA-HA: He uses gnome 2.2.8. Ha-Ha!
                    I wish gnome could suck cock! Talk about a killer-app! Imagine the headlines: "Gnome - the only program that can SUCK ... ... ..."

                    Seriously though, i dunno why, but on my 1.8GHz p mobile laptop with intel graphics, kde is just slow as molasses. Blame the distro (mint, ie ubuntu), buggy drivers or whatever. KDE is unusable, gnome is usable.

                    Besides whos genius idea (not) was it to put a rotate function for plasmoids?
                    Seriously, you've got something messed up, but you're so ignorant you blame KDE. I installed Kubuntu 9.10 on my friends laptop with some exotic card - Matrox and it ran wonderfull. However, CPU was better there. When I ran Gnome it feels slugish especially when I launch Rhythmbox and few other apps.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                      Seriously, you've got something messed up, but you're so ignorant you blame KDE. I installed Kubuntu 9.10 on my friends laptop with some exotic card - Matrox and it ran wonderfull. However, CPU was better there. When I ran Gnome it feels slugish especially when I launch Rhythmbox and few other apps.
                      I dont care to figure out what is messed up. All I know is that I can use my computer with gnome, not kde. As far as I know the drivers are used the same (surely they might use different features and that is the problem). I am yet to see a stable KDE environment (such as not doing wierd stuff about positioning plasmoids). And where did the simple system monitor (cpu/ram) applet go ?
                      I really dont know what was your point with that matrox card ( i dont want to know either ).

                      I must reiterate: the rotate function is completely retarded. Its ugly and useless. Its wasting the user's attention.

                      In my opinion the complete overhaul, instead of incremental evolution was a very inefficient use of KDE team's human resources.

                      I would like to make it clear I want KDE to be nice and stable already. I just dont see it so yet. If it is entirely the distros fault, then im deeply sorry and request to have some really nice KDE distros pointed out (preferably with livecds). My point about rotation stands either way
                      (yes it is making me crazy - why IS it [there]).

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by V!NCENT View Post
                        PS:It looks a thousand times better than Gnome too. My desktop: [url]http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5953/kde433.png[/url
                        As someone who runs a Gnome-only Gentoo setup, I can honestly say that your desktop is badass.

                        FYI: I don't criticize Gnome because I'm a KDE fanboy - I criticize it because I use it everyday and I see the areas that need improvement. Once KDE releases 4.4.1 (I like bug fix releases) with that phonon equalizer support, I'm dumping Gnome for about 3 years.

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                        • #42
                          KDE 4.xxx has one thing really wrong!

                          Hi guys,

                          one persons Vinegar, is anothers Wine. Hence the dull clash, of subjective value judgements.... BUT.

                          It is that time of year again and there is one thing that is REALLY pissing me off about KDE 4.xxx, XSNOW.

                          After all, it is coming up to xmass & I must have Santa dashing accross my screen & snow falling... :-)

                          While I have been on KDE, since 1998, I will use Gnome till about the end of this month-cause of XSNOW.

                          It surely is slower than KDE and that is on a quad core Phenom @ 3600 with a 5850.

                          If ANYONE has XSNOW going propa on KDE 4.xxx, lemmie know how you did it?

                          *BFN*

                          GreekGeek :-)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by misiu_mp View Post
                            I dont care to figure out what is messed up. All I know is that I can use my computer with gnome, not kde. As far as I know the drivers are used the same (surely they might use different features and that is the problem).
                            Yes, this could be a problem, but Intel should rather have good QT4 acceleration.

                            I am yet to see a stable KDE environment (such as not doing wierd stuff about positioning plasmoids). And where did the simple system monitor (cpu/ram) applet go ?
                            I really dont know what was your point with that matrox card ( i dont want to know either ).
                            What does stability has to positioning plasmoids? It works very well. I don't know what applet do you mean, but there are plasmoids (applets?) which are such system monitors. The point was even such card worked great in KDE4. I had to spend much time to find drivers for it.

                            I must reiterate: the rotate function is completely retarded. Its ugly and useless. Its wasting the user's attention.
                            Actually I like it, so this is nice feature for me.

                            In my opinion the complete overhaul, instead of incremental evolution was a very inefficient use of KDE team's human resources.
                            In my opinion it's exactly oposite. I found Gnome to be very hardly usable and sluggish. You mentioned you don't like rotating plasmoids, but what "genius" inveted "feature" when you click on some folder it will open in the new window (probably some Win devs, but it's default in Gnome)? This is so utterly stupid and it's useless. In my opinion Gnome's crippling Linux, because it's lack of some standard features which Windows has and it looks usually awfull when you compare it to OS X (like Fedora). I bet Gnome's the last reason to migrate to Linux for Win or OS X people.

                            I would like to make it clear I want KDE to be nice and stable already. I just dont see it so yet. If it is entirely the distros fault, then im deeply sorry and request to have some really nice KDE distros pointed out (preferably with livecds). My point about rotation stands either way
                            (yes it is making me crazy - why IS it [there]).
                            Yeah, I'd also love to see Gnome stable and nice too ;>
                            Last edited by kraftman; 12-04-2009, 11:35 AM.

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                            • #44
                              4.4 will seriously blow our mind! It's just going to be the best DE ever :P 4.3 is already awesome, but 4.4 will shine! Even the most loyal gnome fan has to agree that the speed KDE 4 improves is seriously stunnig. Digikam and kdenlive are just pure awesome. I mean just compare Amarok 2.0.0 from a year ago to 2.2.1 what we have now. The speed KDE and it's apps evolve is c-c-c-crazy! Compare Koffice 2.0 from summer to 2.1 which was just released. The amount of Improvements is staggering and by next summer 2.2 krita should be "professional" ready=easily compareable to gimp maybe even better and kwrite can too replace that huge bloat called openoffice for many.

                              This "Solid Pillars" strategy that KDE took with it's 4th series is seriously paying off now and will pay more in the long term. Exciting times with free software desktop's indeed
                              Last edited by blindfrog; 12-04-2009, 06:31 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by kraftman View Post
                                What does stability has to positioning plasmoids?
                                Adding some plasmoids cause the panel (or-what-kde-calls-it) to be completely messed up. It grows, other buttons (plasmoids) disappear, overlap or are moved out of the screen and the whole thing can just move somewhere else. It goes to the top of the screen but some parts of it stick out from the bottom. Thats just for adding some (standard) plasmoids. Total disaster.
                                Granted, I didnt experience a crash-kind-of instability.

                                I don't know what applet do you mean, but there are plasmoids (applets?) which are such system monitors.
                                Can you point out which plasmoid replaces the gnome-system-monitor applet in kde (I need cpu graph, memory:[programs, cache], swap) and is efficient in operation?

                                Actually I like it, so this is nice feature for me.
                                Maybe if it worked smoothly and looked nice (anti-aliasing), it wouldnt be such a pain in the ass. Now it is slow and ugly, which is much worse than just useless.

                                what "genius" inveted "feature" when you click on some folder it will open in the new window
                                Thats bad indeed, but you change the behavior easily and forget it forever. As a matter of fact at first I didnt even know what you were talking about. Only after a while I remembered it (damn you =).

                                I found Gnome to be very hardly usable and sluggish.
                                Its interesting, I didn't see any performance issues in gnome at all. Its all smooth (with exception for some driver-related, circumventable rendering problems).

                                In my opinion Gnome's crippling Linux, because it's lack of some standard features which Windows has and it looks usually awfull when you compare it to OS X (like Fedora). I bet Gnome's the last reason to migrate to Linux for Win or OS X people.
                                Gnome is clean, easy, fully functional, and appealing. Its looks are actually very much inspired by macosX. There are plenty of themes to fit your esthetical needs and its functionality exceeds that of windows (explorer) easily (especially coupled with nautilus extensions).
                                Maybe you looked at some (much) earlier versions of gnome, which truly were quite useless (and ugly). One notable example is eog, which used to be a total piece-of-shit-of-a-memory-hog but now is probably the best image viewer out there. Its quick, efficient and above all ergonomic (quick panning and zooming with the scroll wheel to what is pointed by the mouse is the shit). There is plenty of evolutionary usability improvements in gnome, which can go unnoticed to someone who dont use it regularly.

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